Which Limbsaver?

[GF.]

I need some o' these for the season....

Which type do you guys favor? I have a quad-limb bow, so I'm not even sure that I have a choice, other than the ones that Simms makes expressly for the Hoyts vs. the more 'universal' fit.... Same price, but it looks like there is more of the stuff in the Hoyt version. That might be good for additional dampening, or it might be overkill and needless weight added to the limb...

Little help?

And while I'm on it.... Do you think I owe it to myself to get a stab on there for good measure? If so, what's your favorite and/or which do you think is a killer value? I'm probably leaning towards an S coil right now, since people seem to like the Limbsaver products and these are pretty cheap...

I'm still not sure about a string stopper. Looks like that's where everybody is headed, but I don't know that I see it as a priority item....:confused:


Last question - would you hunt owning just 3 broadheads, or is 6 a more reasonable minimum? I'd think 6 for any kind of an expedition, but maybe 3 would suffice for day-tripping....

[ncboman]

Which type do you guys favor?

regular mushroom shaped sims, for a splitlimb in your case. You gotta have em.



I'm probably leaning towards an S coil right now ,

good pick.



would you hunt owning just 3 broadheads,

yes, been there. Just keep the practice head sharp for squibbels. :)

[Twanger]

Last question - would you hunt owning just 3 broadheads, or is 6 a more reasonable minimum? I'd think 6 for any kind of an expedition, but maybe 3 would suffice for day-tripping....

My $0.02 - When the feces hit's the circular wind generating equipment you'll want more than 3 broadheads in your quiver. Will three suffice? Yes... probably 98% of the time. But then there's that one time that you spine a deer, and it's crawling for the property line with it's front legs and you're stuck in a tree stand launching arrows beyond your comfortable shooting range simply to anchor him. For that kinda fun you need a lot of broadheads... :rolleyes:

[dave-t.]

I've hunted with three b-heads a lot. I know others have had to, but I've never shot a deer more than once with a bow.

I usually hunt with 3-5 b-head arrows, and always at least one practice tipped one.

[GF.]

Yeah, I'm with you, Dave.... NC, too, though not nearly so confident in my shooting so much as in my willingness to wait for the slam-dunk. I suppose if I hunted more like Twang does, where multiple targets are likely on any given day, I'd feel differently.... But I don't think I'd mess with more than one deer in a day - too slow cutting 'em up still - and I'm in pretty good shape as far as property lines are concerned. Definitely feel like I oughtta stick a Judo or two in the Catquiver , though...

I was kinda thinkin' about having a couple shafts cut a little longer than the rest so I can throw 'em in the quiver without having to engineer a shaft retention system with about 6 moving parts :rolleyes: Some guys might think that's kinda goofy, but I've always considered Judos to be mandatory equipment......... And anchoring one in the Cat with a stout rubber band through the nock end actually works pretty much OK on an Elk hunt, so no reason it shouldn't work in a treestand.... Keep life easier in the arrows-ordering aspect...

I'm kinda stumped on NC's mushroom-button limbsavers, though... I've only seen 'em with 'these are for solid limb bows only' copy in the product description... Anybody got a model name or a product number?:D


Squibbel...squibbel...squibbel... whack! :cool:

Haven't done that in years now.....:D

[ncboman]

I got away from judo points because of the weight difference between them and my 100gr bhs makes them a little off at 20yds and the difference increases greatly beyond that. Sometimes I still take one in the quiver but no more than I shoot, when I do shoot, I usually go with a broadhead.

per the split limb limbsavers, ... :rolleyes:

[ncboman]

... per the split limb limbsavers, ... :rolleyes:

see if this link works for you. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Limbsaver-Vibration-dampeners-for-split-limb-bows-NIP_W0QQitemZ190329580344QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item2c5086eb38&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)

:)

[GF.]

Link is good! So is the price, if nobody else wants 'em :D Let's hope the Universal Craving for The Latest and Greatest in All Things does me a favor this time around... That which was the ultimate in perfection a year or two ago is usually still pretty good despite the 'flaws'....

And also real good.... 100 grain Judos :cool:

[ncboman]

usually I find these 'dollar items' seldom go for a buck. The sellers often use one or more shills to run the bidding up at least some.

What I do is set a price I'm willing to pay in my mind before starting and QUIT if the bids exceed that.

This sticks the seller if indeed a shill is being used because ebay treats it as a sale. Sometimes after the auction, I'm offered the item at my last bid price.

I bought a good bit of NoTrace obsession camo this way. ;)

[GF.]

Yeah... I've put a number of things on 'watch' for that very reason... With the bow, I had watched enough similar items go by that I knew what was a pretty good deal, and so I cut myself off accordingly... So except for the very expensive nicked cable.....:mad:

And now I'm watching to see if those go cheap enough to justify buying them separately from an 'unknown' instead of just throwing 'em in with a broadhead/arrows/stab purchase from a regular retailer....

Do you have any experience with the newer, fit-between-the-limbs savers, or is it just that you know that the mushrooms work fine and maybe cost a little less?

[ncboman]

the mushrooms work fine and maybe cost a little less. :)

[GF.]

I just found the 'quad' buttons for a split limb...Goin' for $30...:confused:

Seems kinda high....:eek:

Looks like a guy could do OK price-wise on eBay except for the piecemeal shipping...Bowhunterssupply has cheap shipping and really competitive prices on some things, but certainly not all of it....

And BTW - does anybody know how the alphashox-type limbsavers compare, performance-wise to the mushroom types?

[GF.]

I couldn't stand the suspense, so I just called up Sims directly and got the low-down. Turns out that this time around, there may be reason to believe that the newer version is worth the price differential, but in large part because the newer kind is actually 30% cheaper right out of the gate....

So according to them, the super-quad is the way to roll on this one. Apparently, the 'quad' design is better than the design on the Hoyt-specific 'alphashox' version for the same reason that the new super-quad button is better than the original mushroom and the X-coil is better than the S-coil-- 4 'fingers' damp vibration better than a fist, or so they told me, so the ultra-quad is a refinement of the Hoyt model which made its debut some years back....

Also, they tell me, the mushroom-style buttons are more expensive (and less effective) than the between-the-limbs type because there are some hard plastic/nylon fittings required; they're more expensive to make and they have to be assembled by hand--and of course those hard parts don't do anything for deadening--so the all-rubber ones are also more efficient for the weight.

And yet, oddly enough, the claim of up to 80% reduction in noise & vibration seems to hold for all 4 styles - even the quad mushroom vs. the original, despite the quad design being supposedly 50% better than the original....

:confused:

I guess it's the same old tune - Your mileage may vary!

It is kinda too bad you can't really reduce the noise by 120%, though... :D

[ncboman]

I wouldn't expect Sims to tell you the new expensive models and the old models can't be told apart in the dark. ;)

[GF.]

O' course not! ;)

But at least the 'new, expensive' model of the limbsaver is actually less expensive than the 'old' ones that they're still making....

So anyway, I ordered some up from Sims directly, because they didn't cost any more than anyplace else and their shipping was reasonable. Especially considering that they are/were closing out their 'Enhancer 2000' 3" version for $15 in 'cover me with camo tape' bright aluminum and a little more for the 2-incher in blue.

I have no idea if it will damp out sound as well as an X-coil (or even an S coil) but it saved me ten bucks to get the fancy, $70 job. And I already have the tape :D

And if anybody's interested, they're also blowing out a Kwikee quiver insert for about $3, the original mushroom buttons (in camo, for solid-limb bows) for $7 and an add-on stab enhancer for $4....

[GF.]

$35 worth of parts and $9 worth of shipping later....

I've got the goodies installed, and I honestly can't say that it makes any damn difference at all...:confused:

Maybe I shoulda taken a few shots right before to get a fresher sense of the baseline, but I don't think it woulda mattered short of instrumentation..

Makes me wonder if it isn't the whiz-bang dropaway rest that's making a good bit of the noise, though.... Are things like sights and rests usually important sources of noise, or is there a whole industry built around the fact that you can't launch an arrow at the better part of 300 feeps without making some noise in the process, but you can always sell a guy on the hope that Physics can be suspended?

I'd call it good, except that I seem to remember some guys at the club who had bows that barely made a swish....

[ncboman]

I doan know exactly what you bought but the ones I linked went for 8.50. :D

I don't even like to shoot a bow without limbsavers on it, they work so well for me. :)

[LampLighter]

It's been a few years now since I had my BowTech Aligence. I used to fough with all that stuff on my other bows. Even all that arrow fletch hitting the riser stuff is gone. Those top end bows are a whole different world. They come with all those problems worked out. BowTech has the hush kit. With a drop rest of quality ( $80 to $100 range) it's over. My tuning tools and paper rack are full of spider webs, back in the shed somewhere.

Remember GF, speed = noise. You need a happy medium. For instance my Alligence is one of the fastest bows ever made. I shoot a finished arrow weight of 442 grains. They are dead quiet. No noise whatsoever and plenty fast.

My backup bow, a Browning Ambush is full of those limbsaver things. I had noise problems galore with it. It still makes a spring cocker pellet gun sound.

I've said it before folks. I have been at this years. When I bought a high end bow, it was like a whole different world. That $800 is well worth it, along with $200 more for a quality string drop rest and a sight. HHA are some fine sights.

[ncboman]

My favorite bow cost me $170. :)

[LampLighter]

My favorite bow cost me $170. :)

Yeah, but think catagories nc. Your cheapo bow is probably something you dumbed down to on purpose for a challenge. I'm just saying bar none, like a Remington 700 heavy barrel varmit rifle you don't even compare it to a Knight muzzleloader. Different catagory.

You wouldn't look at whatever that is you bought for 170 against a top BowTech , Matthews, or Hoyt. Different catagories, that's all. You ought to know this.

[ncboman]

You wouldn't look at whatever that is you bought for 170 against a top BowTech , Matthews, or Hoyt.

why not?

You ever heard of Parker?

[LampLighter]

why not?

You ever heard of Parker?


Today, I become a sheeple, temporarily. :D You gotta have one of the big three to fit in the clique. :p:p

[ncboman]

I'm thinking about joining the local optimist club.

[GF.]

You think maybe it's a positioning thing on the Savers? Right now, I have them as close to the cams as I can get them without rubbing, figuring that's where the limbs will be waving around the most. Also, that's how they set them up at Hoyt.... Maybe if I shove 'em up to the pivot... :confused:

At least I have the option of pushing 'em around a bit. :D

As I say, they probably make more of a difference than I'm giving them credit for, but I'm pretty sure that one man's 'dead quiet' is another man's "bear trap goin' off"....

Probably what I oughtta do is trip the drop-away a few times and see what kind of noise that makes all by itself. Gotta work from home today anyway, so maybe I'll step outside at lunch or something....

[dave-t.]

You're bow is already a very quiet design GF, that and bowtech does come with some darn good sound dampening from the factory. Sound may not be a big issue with your bow. With my Bowtech tribute, I almost didn't put a stabaliser on it, even though I had one just laying around. New bows are getting great speed without giving up hand shock, or much noise for that matter.

I know two guys with PSE Omen's, and they say at 350+fps, that the bow is as quiet or quieter than their last bows that were in the 315fps ibo range.

[GF.]

Well, maybe now we're onto something....

All there is on this bow in terms of factory-installed sound reduction equipment is a kind of a snow-flakey-lookin' deal on the cable guard and two whirly little rubber asterisks on the cables... Nothing on the string but the shrink-wrapped 'accelerators' near the cams.

Do you suppose I'm missing something?:confused:

And what would you consider adding?

Tripping the rest produces a fairly loud, metallic click/slap as the prongs of the rest hit the shelf, so....moleskin?

And I've moved the cableguard silencer forward so that the roller doesn't smack into it when the string/cables come forward. But beyond maybe tweaking the locations of the cable silencers or the limbsavers, I don't know that there's much else I can afford worry about...

[dave-t.]

I have rubber deals on the limbs of my Tribute that came from the factory. I peeled the string silencers off. Make sure everything is tight.

Sounds to me like moleskin is all you need.

[GF.]

That's one thing to watch for sure.... I tend to be a little bit cautious when cranking things down... mostly because I used to be aggressive and learned the hard way a time or two.

So like NC's peep, I've gotta learn to compromise :D

You know, I might even have a little molefoam around here somewhere.... Unless one of the boys got creative with it...:rolleyes: