.416 Remington Magnum

[postoak]

I hadn't realized it but the .416 RM is now "demised" according to this month's American Rifleman. Only the custom shop now produces that caliber. The article said that the growing popularity of the .416 Rigby and the introduction of the .416 Ruger is what did it in.

[Hi Ball]

Postoak I haven't read this months NRA magazine yet (arrived yesterday) but I had no idea that the Rigby was gaining once again in popularity over the .416-Remmy.

I have had a model 70 in the .416 Remington for over a decade and I for one can tell you, it is one heck of an ALL-Round caliber for big game and plainsgame both. It will indeed anchor a big bear like an 18 wheeler just dropped on it's back.

Now with those 325 grain bullets, it shoots near as flat as a 30-06 with 200 grainers if my memory serves me correctly. Yes, it is one grand caliber that took over for my .375 Wby a long time ago. It really smacks things with authority.:eek:

[postoak]

I'm like you, Hi-Ball; I had the impression that the Remington was the most popular of the .416s and growing in popularity. :confused:

[Hi Ball]

Now personally I can't see that RUGER .416 much at all, sorry! The Remington has been out on the market for a lot of years and more importantly has proved it's self in the field. There is no problem getting ammo for the rifle either.:D :D :D

[rimrock]

I thought a great deal about buying a 416 rem,IM really surprised to hear its not more popular, it seems like almost the ideal heavy rifle,for dangerous game in north America and certainly a decent choice else ware and everyone I know that owns one loves it, but decided for what I do, a 458 win , or a 458 LOTT was the better choice, for me since its mostly going to be used with hard cast bullets at 1900-2000fps and since I own a 378 wby which at least in theory will do anything the 416 will with a flatter trajectory
that may be the problem!..I might not be alone in thinking a 375 caliber will work for almost anything and if it won,t , jumping up to a 458 caliber is the better choice.
after seeing what my 378 wby does to an ELK with a 300 grain hornady loaded to 2900fps I don,t think a 416 will improve on it much and I doubt Ill ever see africa

[Pat Hurley]

postoak ----- You can buy all the .416 Rem rifles you want. I just checked a local gun shop and he has CZ's for sale. Whether or not they are still building them I don't know, but you can buy them now, off the shelf. I also found some on Gunsamerica.com. Good shooting.

[postoak]

Are you sure those aren't .416 Rigby's? The article mentioned that CZ .416 Rigby's undercutting Remington prices were one of the reasons for the demise of the .416 Remington as a production rifle caliber.

[Pat Hurley]

postoak ----- I picked one up yesterday, with my own two hands. Go to Whittakerguns.com then click on new rifles then scroll down to CZ. You will find Rigbys and Remingtons, or at least one. Call them and check, they sell thousands of rifles and will ship. The number is 270-229-0140. Good luck and good shooting.

[postoak]

I believe you, Pat. Kinda makes that point made in the article, pointless. :confused:

[Hi Ball]

RimRock, just so you know, the .378-Wby will NOT come close to penetrating like the .416 caliber will....fact. It will run tail to tusk on an elephant and that is a lot of penetration. The versatility of the .416 caliber makes for a one gun does it all and you can not say that about the .378-Wby!:rolleyes:

[rimrock]

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=843909

while you might be correct ID doubt a 300 grain solid from a 378 wby will lack the required penetration to kill effectively ANYTHING on the planet with decent shot placement, Ive read several stories of it driving thru cape buffalo end to end with the solids, at some point its always more about proper shot placement.
Ill never make it to Africa on my budget, anyway

[Hi Ball]

RimRock......Now don't be so sure of never making it to Africa!!! There are several various routes one can go and have a hunt of a lifetime. Oh, you may not be able to bag a 75-lb tusker ($30,000 dollars) but you sure can go on a 5 species hunt for under $4,500 dollars, depending on what you would want to bring back and mount etc.

Now while your looking on the .378 Weatherby, I suggest you also take a quick gander at the .416-Weatherby caliber and just compare the Sectional Density and Kinetic Energy of both calibers.

[postoak]

Article on the .416 Ruger, with the .416s lined up side by side:



.416: Remington, Dakota, Rigby, Weatherby, and Ruger (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=.416+rigby+remington+ruger+weatherby&go=&form=QB&qs=n#focal=b8128919b43a689b3b65e79dcde2f591&furl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scifirstforhunters.org%2Fima ges%2Farticle%2F3128%2Flrg%2FSundra%25201.jpg)

[billt]

The Rigby in .416 generates the same velocity as the Remington, but with less pressure. For some reason this gains a lot of respect with African guides and seasoned African hunters. It most likely is centered around easier extraction of the lower pressure rounds over the high pressure Remington and Weatherby Magnums. The British Express rounds toss large chunks of lead at relatively low chamber pressures. Experienced guides don't like jammed up rifles when hunting dangerous game. I can't say that I blame them. A lower pressure round lessens the chance of this happening. The .416 Rigby costs a lot more to shoot, but when calculating the cost of an African Safari, ammo cost is the least of your worries. Bill T.