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Badger
09-27-2009, 02:32 PM
As a serious military firearms collector, I enjpy handling and shooting military arms from many nations. I wonder what the folks here think is the worst of the heap. Some have said the Italian Carcanos were the worst and I disagree because at least they have a safety. I nominate the French bolt rifles from the Gras M1873 up to the MAS 1936. NONE of these arms have a safety while ALL contemporary military arms of other nations all had safeties. I have never been given a lucid reason for no safety on issue rifles by a major nation.

What is the worst in the opinion of Forum members?

Badger
Bill Mc
09-28-2009, 04:14 PM
I first deer hunted with a Jap 7.7. That's the worst one I've ever handled. The safety was about impossible to move.
rimrock
09-28-2009, 07:06 PM
I think you might be correct on the french bolt rifles, the 6.5mm Italian carcano was no jem either, I had one given to me as a teenager that was only good for 2 ft groups at 100 yards....all the bullet holes were sideways
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Carcano_mod._1891.jpg/800px-Carcano_mod._1891.jpg
billt
09-30-2009, 07:55 AM
What is the worst in the opinion of Forum members? Badger

The French Chau-Chau, (spelling), pronounced "show-show", machine gun. Total crap. As one soldier put it, "Not worth a $h!t, but you can take the parts and make a good still!" Bill T.
Herne
09-30-2009, 02:39 PM
The current British rifle. SA80.

The mag falls off because the catch is in the wrong place. The whole thing can spring into bits, and it jams with great ease, and you can only fire it right handed. How you can make a .223 Bullpup weigh about 11lbs I have no idea.

There have been extensive modification programmes, but let us say it still retains something of its piss poor past.
President Obanana
10-01-2009, 10:31 AM
The French had a machine gun in WWI that had a magazine with open sides that let mud in and guaranteed jams every time.
Gil Martin
10-01-2009, 04:28 PM
I would nominate the Canadian Ross as the worst. It was withdrawn from front line service in WWI and for very good reasons. All the best...
Gil
billt
10-01-2009, 06:42 PM
The French had a machine gun in WWI that had a magazine with open sides that let mud in and guaranteed jams every time.

That was the infamous Chaut-Chaut, ("show-show".) Parts were so badly produced they wouldn't interchange! The French should stick with what they know best, SURRENDERING! Bill T.
Altjaeger
10-01-2009, 07:07 PM
I would nominate the Canadian Ross as the worst. It was withdrawn from front line service in WWI and for very good reasons. All the best...
Gil

Is my memory correct that if the bolt was reassembled incorrectly it could drive the firing pin back into the brain of the soldier firing the weapon?
Badger
10-02-2009, 02:40 PM
Alt,

I believe the BOLT would come out the back of the rifle if the bolt was assembled incorrectly as it would not be locked when the rifle was fired.

Badger
Altjaeger
10-02-2009, 06:39 PM
Alt,

I believe the BOLT would come out the back of the rifle if the bolt was assembled incorrectly as it would not be locked when the rifle was fired.

Badger

Is that where the big bullet/little bullet aguments started?:D

Either way it would be bad, bad news to the user. As I recall did he also not use the action for his own line of sporting rifles and have a number of proprietary cartridges of his own design?
Hi Ball
10-13-2009, 08:24 AM
Worst military rifle? Well, that is a matter of opinion but I will nominate the Italian rifle known as the 7.5 Carcano. The 7.35 Italian Carcano has a very sloopy action, similar to the 6.5 Carcano, to say the rifle is crude is an understatement and it lacks the safety of the better military actions. To mount a scope on this rifle is a very hard thing to accomplish. :(
billt
10-13-2009, 01:55 PM
Worst military rifle? Well, that is a matter of opinion but I will nominate the Italian rifle known as the 7.5 Carcano. The 7.35 Italian Carcano has a very sloopy action, similar to the 6.5 Carcano, to say the rifle is crude is an understatement and it lacks the safety of the better military actions. To mount a scope on this rifle is a very hard thing to accomplish. :(

The Italians are much better at making Pizza and fast red cars than they are at rifles. Of course Oswald would argue differently, if he were here. :D Bill T.
Sabre
10-13-2009, 09:35 PM
The Italians are much better at making Pizza and fast red cars than they are at rifles. Bill T.

They're pretty damn good at shotguns too.
Altjaeger
10-13-2009, 10:38 PM
They're pretty damn good at shotguns too.

Since the fall of Rome they have been far better at making wine and women than they have been at war!!! :D