string damper

[ncboman]

anyone use one?

I'm considering adding one to my bow ... not that I really need it. But quieter is better, right?

:rolleyes:

[Wismon]

It might help you get a deer some day.

[LampLighter]

I bought one from Bucks & Ducks for my Browning. I sent it back. It was noisy. BowTech now puts them on factory. I think the right one would work, but the one I had did not.

[GF.]

I'm still thinking to add one, but I blew so much cash on 'incidentals' during that trip that I don't see it happening for a while.....

I have noticed that they've become factory-standard equipment on most (if not all) of the higher-end bows, so they can't be too awful an idea..... Probably most valuable to guys who shoot minimum-weight arrows or who have a bonehead moment and forget to nock an arrow.....:o

[ncboman]

looks to me like the Sims is made somewhat better than others I've looked at;


With traditional String Stops your string comes to full stop extremely fast at a single point, and your string continues to travel while the arrow is nocked. This leads to nock travel when the arrow is released and directly ties to inaccurate shooting, especially at longer ranges. The LimbSaver String Decelerator uses break-away technology to decelerate the string at a lower rate helping to ensure that the nock will leave the string in a more level travel pattern without sacrificing accuracy!
• Reduces Wrist Slap
• Universal Mounting System Fits Most Bows on the Market
• Mounts to Front or Rear Stabilizer Accessory Holes
• Allows Use of Your Current Stabilizer
• Works on All Brace-Height Bows
• Decelerates Your String Instead of Bringing it to a Harsh, Dead-Stop

fifty bucks though ... :rolleyes:

[LampLighter]

fifty bucks though ...
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So what. It's what you do. Alot of people try to do it all and become the jack of all hobbies and the master of none. You have to pick the one that is most interesting to you and gear up for it. Forget fishing. You don't have the money for all those Calcutta reels. Get the string stop instead of that recurve on ebay. Your primary weapom I presume is your compound bow above and before any rifle. By golly that weapon should be Bow Tech's best with whatever you need. It is what you do. Recurves are fun as a yard hobby, and are a primary weapon in the hands of a dedicated traditional shooter, but not you or I. Priorities, thats all.

[GF.]

LL - that's the truth, alright...... at least when spoken by a man with no children....:rolleyes:

It's a good pitch, anyway, NC......:D

Maybe they have some high-speed footage that proves otherwise, but I'm thinkin' that the nock parts company with the string when the string slows down to a such a degree that the friction of the nock on the string is exceeded by the inertia of the arrow.

I'm thinkin' that you don't want to start the decel too soon, because it robs you of the fastest portion of your power stroke, and you don't want to start it too late, because then you're losing velocity and effective brace height. The longer the period of deceleration, the harder it has to be to get that timing just right, but the quicker the decel, the more shock & noise you're gonna get.....


Sims is all about the vibration reduction, though, so if they've figured out how to get the arrow off as quickly & cleanly as the other stoppers out there (or better!), but then decelerate the string more gradually, then that should lessen hand shock and of course, noise..... So I suppose maybe if you were able to test a bunch of different models, you'd find that some give you a faster arrow with more noise, and probably some take the edge off both the sound level and the velocity. So, in accordance with the Physics 101 principle of 'no free lunch', it seems like it would be very hard to give you the best of both ......:rolleyes:

Makes me think that Bear's solution of two string stoppers has a lot to recommend it, at least if the nocking point is right in the middle of the two... that may be the weakness in these things - different string length above and below the stopper(s)....:confused:

[LampLighter]

LL - that's the truth, alright...... at least when spoken by a man with no children....




#1 you do not know me.

#2 if one buys a big poster board, draws a line down the middle, and lists on the left all expenses for one month, then on the right side list all net income, he/she can clearly see the big picture and what needs to be done. This is common sense that many financial planners charge for.

[GF.]

So.....

How many kids are you supporting? :rolleyes: Maybe you're just an extraordinarily private person, but I don't believe you've ever mentioned a wife or any children


It's nothing personal man... But like I told people during that last election.... The thing that scared me most about Obama was that he always had that same cock-sure attitude that you hear whenever you get child-rearing tips from someobody who doesn't have any kids. Other parents will just nod, shrug, smile, but singles and DINKs always have the easy-as-pie answer to everything.... :p

And have you noticed that now that he's into it, he's not sounding quite so confident????

Anyway, as to figuring the budget... Just two words:

College Fund.

[LampLighter]

College Fund.



I obtained a Pell Grant, worked 55 hours a week during the summer, AND obtained student loans and with that I completed my Bachelor of Arts in Criminal Justice. I was changing electric fuel pumps on side of I-10, and missed a couple of classes having to diagnose and repair electrical faults on my 77 F100. Because of all that, I am now ambitious and know when it is time to bite the bullet and work.

What blows me away more than anything is parents blocking up city streets because they have to bring the kid to school. We rode the bus. What yall are creating are more instant gratification , entitlement expecting spoiled brats. That is what is wrong today. Now, get me started :mad: . Remember what I said about school board charges appearing on my property tax bill.

I don't want to hear any more violin stories about "how hard the poor little children have it today."

[ncboman]

#1 you do not know me.

#2 if one buys a big poster board, draws a line down the middle, and lists on the left all expenses for one month, then on the right side list all net income, he/she can clearly see the big picture and what needs to be done. This is common sense that many financial planners charge for.

write down everything you're considering buying and divide into either 'wants' or 'needs'.

stickler wood splitter .... need

string tamer .... want

:rolleyes:

[GF.]

So in other words... You're not supporting anybody but yourself.....


write down everything you're considering buying and divide into either 'wants' or 'needs'.

stickler wood splitter .... need

string tamer .... want

:rolleyes:

Yup....

3 squares a day for 4 people, not one .... need

shoes & clothing for 4.... need

housing for 4.... need

haircuts for 4 ... need

dentist for 4 .... need

doctors' co-pays & uncovered % of medicals bills for 4 ..... need

$4000 worth of not-covered-by-insurance hearing aids and $300/month in not-covered-by-insurance audiologist's fees.... Kinda unexpected, but sho' 'nuf need.



Call me crazy, but I don't think anybody here is complaining about how 'hard' their kids have it... You made that crap up all by your own damnself.

But if you don't have kids, you have no idea how easy you've got it.

[LampLighter]

My wife is an executive at a fortune 500 company. My a/c business did well this year. Since 1990 we have been financial planning and have not dropped the ball yet. Almost lost her in the E.R. this year due to Ulcertive colotis- an arterial bleeder in the colon. But, back on two feet busy as ever at work. The Clinton administration was very good for interest bearing savings accounts- very good. I do almost all auto repairs. All house repairs . I do need to hire a brick layer to do my front steps.

If you have 4 people in your family, and only you draw an income- you will not make it in today's society. No way. I know it is nostalgic and all, but staying warm on a wood burning device is not going to cut it today. Think about it, the expense of the wood splitter, all the labor , usually very inefficient unless you have an in-line vent pipe blower. There has to be another way. The time spent on wood cutting, ash shoveling, etc. could be spent making yet more money somewhere, somehow. Maybe cutting firewood and selling it to other nostalgic people. Time management. You must tell yourself I have to accomplish something, no matter how small, every day toward that poster board I told you about earlier.
We are lucky in the South. A good heat pump is very cheap to operate, with a propane fake log type fireplace ( heatilator)as backup. When it gets in the low 20's, we run the propane burner.

Bottom line- there has to be something for the other members of the family to do. State government has tourists bureaus, weights & standards offices, highway dept positions like traffic control, anything. go, go, go. You have to nowadays.

[ncboman]

If you have 4 people in your family, and only you draw an income- you will not make it in today's society. No way.

:rolleyes:

[GF.]

No, no, NC... He's right. Time to get the 4-year-old and the 6-year old out there working! Who cares if the little one hasn't been able to learn how to talk yet on account o' bein' deaf? They don't need no damn skoolin'! No more excuses for the lazy little brats! Gotta toughen 'em up!:mad:

And yeah, we made a big mistake by letting my wife care for her dad the past 4-5 years as he died of cancer, so to hell with her mother! She can just get that hip replaced and get back on her owndamnfeet!:mad:

[Twanger]

anyone use one?

I'm considering adding one to my bow ... not that I really need it. But quieter is better, right?

:rolleyes:

Well, back on the string silencer...

A buddy of mine had one on his Bowtech Guardian. I does make bows quieter, but that danged Guardian is very quiet anyway...

BUT, a local bow-shop pro told him to take the damned thing off. It can impart left and right English to the bowstring as it hits and tries to slide off either to the left of right. This can be imparted to the arrow, causing horizontal stringing in your groups.

I don't have one on my bow and have had my share of double kills, and opportunities at triples. ;)

[ncboman]

My bows are already very quiet too, so I'm backing off the idea at present.

I've been invited to do some 'reduction hunting' in one of the 'suburbs' and figure quieter makes for less of a run but spine shots are even better.

Actually, time is the bigger issue. Given limited hunting time, I'd rather spend what time I have in a real woods environment rather than looking into someone's back yard waiting on semi-tame deer. :D

... besides, the damper makes me wonder about string wear over time. New string and associated custom fixins ain't cheap. :rolleyes:

[dave-t.]

I've had very little evidence that a sound of a bow has any effect on anything. I once shot a deer out of a group, and the others watched the one run off, and then browsed off in his dirrection, as if they were wondering why he lit out so fast.

Never missed a deer due to bow noise, even when I had a slow bow. I don't shoot far enough for them to react much though.

[ncboman]

I've had very little evidence that a sound of a bow has any effect on anything. I once shot a deer out of a group, and the others watched the one run off, and then browsed off in his dirrection, as if they were wondering why he lit out so fast.

Never missed a deer due to bow noise, even when I had a slow bow. I don't shoot far enough for them to react much though.

I firmly believe a loud shot or stand disturbance makes some of them run farther after the shot. You doan have many fall within sight shooting a loud bow.

[GF.]

I think they always recommend serving the string at the contact point for the damper, NC. For exactly the reason you offered....

Interesting concept on that little bit of english, though, Twang....

High-speed film would probably show if the nock clears the string before the damper knocks it off course. I guess that would depend in part on the degree of lateral oscillation, though. Some of the dampers have a notch cut into them so that the string centers as it hits, too. Which could be important, if I know anything about the behavior of compressed columns made out of squishy stuff...

On the one hand, we're talking about really minute deflections here, but if they're inconsistent shot-to-shot.....:eek:

[LampLighter]

No, no, NC... He's right. Time to get the 4-year-old and the 6-year old out there working! Who cares if the little one hasn't been able to learn how to talk yet on account o' bein' deaf? They don't need no damn skoolin'! No more excuses for the lazy little brats! Gotta toughen 'em up!:mad:

!:mad:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64KW04601ts&feature=related


:D:D:D

[ncboman]

So far this season I've spent $15 on permits and $50 on a ladder stand and that's all. :D

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o84/bellboy639/treestand.jpg

:)

[dave-t.]

I've got one just like it. Not the easiest to set up, but are pretty good stands.

[My buddy]

..........

If you have 4 people in your family, and only you draw an income- you will not make it in today's society. No way. I know it is nostalgic and all, but staying warm on a wood burning device is not going to cut it today. Think about it, the expense of the wood splitter, all the labor , usually very inefficient unless you have an in-line vent pipe blower. There has to be another way. The time spent on wood cutting, ash shoveling, etc. could be spent making yet more money somewhere, somehow. Maybe cutting firewood and selling it to other nostalgic people. Time management. You must tell yourself I have to accomplish something, no matter how small, every day toward that poster board I told you about earlier.


So if people took your advice and applied that toward saving some time by shooting a crossbow and not wasting all that time practicing with a vertical bow, you would be ok with that? Even encourage it?

Sounded like he was doing some hard work. Even installing some solid work ethic into his family structure.

[GF.]

There's also a deal on Sportsman's Guide for basically 28 dollar 15' climbing sticks and a 28 dollar hang-on.

Those ladder stands give me the creeps. Too wobbly.

[Twanger]

There's also a deal on Sportsman's Guide for basically 28 dollar 15' climbing sticks and a 28 dollar hang-on.

Those ladder stands give me the creeps. Too wobbly.

Yep... and noisy. I've got a 'double wide' ladder stand that makes pings and creaks when I'm just sitting there. Good if you're gonna bring a kid hunting though.

I like the climbing stix and hang-on. I'd add a couple of 50-cent half-inch X 10-inch lag bolts to screw in up near the stand as handles for transferring from the sticks to the stand. Also can be used to hang your pack and bow.

[GF.]

I don't dare put any holes in the trees where I am, but yeah, +1 for making sure you have an easy way to transfer from sticks to stand. Last year, I put my hang-on as high as I could reach from the top of my climbing sticks, which are 20s.... Not a lotta sense in having wrestled with a safety line around the back of the tree all the way up to 20 feet and then having to un-clip and then climb up onto the platform:eek:

Permanent safety line anchored above the top of the sticks, a prussik knot and a stand height of about 17 feet oughtta do it....

Maybe I'll be able to hang some gear from the top of the sticks that way, too....

[dave-t.]

You don't want the top of your steps any higher than the seat on the stand. I'm a monkey up in a tree, but I don't set up for a dangerous experience.



I have had to quiet down my ladder stand. Several wraps of electrical tape works pretty good between contact points.

[GF.]

Where's the danger in holding onto a step at chest height or so while you move your foot/feet a few inches more or less straight across onto your platform?

That way, you can maintain 3 points of contact at all times without resorting to any gymnastics. If you've got a safer way, I'll try it, but 3 points has gotten me up and down a lotta rock over the years, and a lot o' that was overhanging....

The way I was set up last year, I couldn't quite get a foot high enough to get onto the platform without practically heaving my un-clipped torso onto the platform and then having to figure to how to stand up on the damn thing without pushing myself off of it.

Sure, it was easy enough when I put up the stand, but with stand-sitting clothing on, mickey mouse boots and poor light, it wasn't such a walk in the park:o

[dave-t.]

I hate that. What is easy an easy climb on a sunny afternoon in light clothing can make for a cumbersome effort in the cold and dark. I used to go with as few screw in steps as possible and had a pretty good reach between steps, but it came back to bite me enough to change my ways.