Larry Csonka

[postoak]

Anybody ever watch this guy hunt on Versus TV? He is the most amazing offhand shooter I've ever seen. Today, I watched him shoot a reindeer offhand at 500 yards. :cool:

And that's not a one-off. In previous weeks I've seen him do the same at 300 and 400 yards.

[Bill Gunn]

I don't know if they don't show the misses, but I've seen him make 'bout a half dozen shots like that too.
He is good !!

[Hi Ball]

Yeah, the old war horse can shoot but I watched play football with Jim Kick in the backfield down in Miami and he was a lot better at football, trust me on that one gents.;) :D :D :D

[purple heart]

Hey Hi Ball, I remember watching Czonka playing for Miami.
He was on their perfect team that won all the regular season games
and then went on to win the super bowl. Once he broke through the
d line he was like trying to stop a freight train.

I've seen some of his incredible off hand shots. I doubt they show the
misses but the ones he does make are something else.
He probably has to shoot off hand because his knees are probably
About warn out or made of metal, therefore making it hard for him to
get down for a kneeling or sitting shot. I'm in a similar situation only
not a great off hand shooter. :)

[Bushman]

I saw that shot with a .300 WSM last night again myself on Verses. He hit the reindeer or caribou (is there a difference?) first it looked like in the right front leg and the thing wouldn't clear with the herd until he got that finisher like at 500 yards. Not a tree or rest or tripod anywhere in sight, so Larry just pulls it off without a rest off hand. He did the same thing when he popped two out of that bunch of three when that second caribou was way out there and across a creek. The guy can shoot.

[postoak]

I was wondering whether there is a difference between reindeer and caribou, too. Apparently, they are the same thing. A caribou is a wild reindeer. So, I think what we actually saw Csonka shooting was caribou.

Caribou or Reindeer? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer)

[Herne]

Postoak I believe you are right. Further I think that caribou is just the name across the pond (by eskimos?) Over here we don't use the term caribou at all.

Even the domesticated reindeer herds are run on a 1/2 wild sort of basis as far as I know (none in the UK of course)

[Altjaeger]

If he made 75% of such shots I would conider him a good shot...a slob hunter, but good shot. I can't help wonder how many shots and wounded animals are edited out.

[ncboman]

If he made 75% of such shots I would conider him a good shot...a slob hunter, but good shot. I can't help wonder how many shots and wounded animals are edited out.

doan know about Czonka but if you travel here and watch the semi-famous HL Bond in action, you might be amazed and amused. :eek: :rolleyes: :cool:

the guy's not that great a shot, but his bullets have a way of colliding with deer.

It's been said, 'if he fired a round into the air, it would land on a deer'. :D

[GF.]

Just curious why he doesn't take a tip from Herne and pack a pair of shooting sticks.



:confused:

Guys who are that good don't worry me so much. It's the guys who think they're that good....:mad:

Actually, I should say 'believe', rather than 'think'. You can't think something if you don't have real information (aka data); and most people who know anything at all about their 200-plus yard, off-hand shooting abilities know better than to even consider it. OTOH, you wanna believe something, you can make up whatever kind o' bullschitt you want....:rolleyes:

[ncboman]

:rolleyes:

My freearm range gets fuzzy at around 50yds. :D

Since reading here I've started taking my camera monopod sometimes, because it's the only thing I've got handy that's telescopic. I used it on the doe I killed with the Knight. Sticks can be in the way sometimes dog hunting so I don't always take it.

[dave-t.]

A fella can shoot a long way with a monopod.

NC- From a sitting position take that monopod, shorten/lengthen it to where the butt of it is in your front left pocket/hip area and the top out in your left hand supporting the front stock of your rifle. That can steady a shot quite a lot.

I've made a few shots 200-300yds using a monopod that way from a hang on stand with no rails or way to steady a shot. It's a lot better than nothing. Enough better that I bring the durn thing when gun hunting open spaces.

[ncboman]

from a sitting position I brace elbows on knees and get near bench rest accuracy. I'm very comfortable with it ... but sitting isn't always an option in real world deer hunting.

[Bushman]

NC, if you have taken more than a half dozen shots like that you've got me beat, but I seem to remember the military or sniper training recommends elbows braced inside the knees for a sitting braced position. I've got "The Ultimate Sniper" tape around here someplace that I'll need to review again. It seems to me that elbows to knees would be more stable too, so maybe we can get someone with some military shooting background to weigh in on this shooting position.

[dave-t.]

From my portable stands I can't get in that position. Lord knows I've tried, but the layout of the land/deer/stand has to be just right for it to work for me. Out of a climber I could see that working out better. My climber has a rail I can use though.

[ncboman]

NC, if you have taken more than a half dozen shots like that you've got me beat, but I seem to remember the military or sniper training recommends elbows braced inside the knees for a sitting braced position. I've got "The Ultimate Sniper" tape around here someplace that I'll need to review again. It seems to me that elbows to knees would be more stable too, so maybe we can get someone with some military shooting background to weigh in on this shooting position.

That might be me. I could already shoot when I went into the military but got fine tuned on shooting positions when they saw I had the knack. I declined cross training into that career field though. Shooting people meant eventually some would shoot back and that's what I wanted to avoid. :D

I've killed a good many deer from the position, almost required when using a 30-30 on 300+yd shots. Made a number of shots most readers just wouldn't believe so I just leave it there. :rolleyes:

btw, it's knees inside the elbows. ;)

[ncboman]

From my portable stands I can't get in that position. Lord knows I've tried, but the layout of the land/deer/stand has to be just right for it to work for me. Out of a climber I could see that working out better. My climber has a rail I can use though.

rifle hunting from a climber is often best done hunting facing the tree. I've sometimes repositioned the stand while the deer was in front of me for the best rest advantage. Climbers are kinda small to use military shooting positions from. :D

[Bushman]

NC, "Knees inside the elbows." Do you mean that the elbows are placed to the outside of the kneecaps? Or is it that the elbows are placed out ahead of the knees with the knees resting on the lower part of the triceps muscle?

I know what you mean about people shooting back at you. It was either the University of Wisconsin or the Tet Offensive. Heck of a motivator to keep a 2S.

[ncboman]

NC, "Knees inside the elbows." Do you mean that the elbows are placed to the outside of the kneecaps? Or is it that the elbows are placed out ahead of the knees with the knees resting on the lower part of the triceps muscle?

I know what you mean about people shooting back at you. It was either the University of Wisconsin or the Tet Offensive. Heck of a motivator to keep a 2S.

You're the one with the video. :D

Perhaps later today I can get a pic of the ol man showin how it's done. :)

[Rock Chuck]

No stand hunting here. We don't have whitetails and the odds of getting a muley or elk from a stand are zilch. I've often carried folding shooting stix but I've never had an occasion to use them. At least they don't weight anything. A trekking pole is very useful on steep stuff and can be used like a monopod. I've shot a couple critters using one.

[Bushman]

NC, I've got the video, but somehow getting the clan together at Christmas time to watch Carlos Hathcock and the care and feeding of a M70 Winchester might not be well received. Lets see, it could be Jimmy Stewart in It's A Wonderful Life, or Carlos Hathcock in the Ultimate Sniper...:D

RC, I bought one of those telescoping mono-pods myself, but I've never used it. Somehow when I'm out in the brush it is just easier to cut a walking stick when I need one. I am amazed that you don't post for mule deer or elk.

Merry Christmas all.

[ncboman]

I'm gettin soft with age. My problem isn't making the shot, it's deciding to shoot.

I ruined myself when I started traveling to the midwest where a one buck limit exist. Deer around here all seem to look like babies now and it's very easy to watch em walk away. :o

[Hi Ball]

GF.........Shooting Sticks??? I tell you what, the day I need a blessed pair of shooting sticks to shoot my rifle (300 yards offhand) and hit my choosen big game animal, I will hang it up plan and simple.

I learned how to shoot and most who can shoot, went through the same training and practice, some way shape or form. Not your average hunter, who takes out the deer rifle 2 weeks before a season starts. I put hours and hours in learning how to hit targets down range with and M1-Garand and M-14.
Bushman there were several, who could shoot as well as that skinny gunny marine Carlos Hathcock! Now by the way, that Super Sniper used a "model 70 Winchester" bolt action rifle in 30-06 caliber to score his hits. Those other snipers may have not got around in the jungle as well but they certainly could shoot an apple off a fence post at 400 plus yards time after time. The Army also had a few good shooters too, in case you didn't know.

[Altjaeger]

GF.........Shooting Sticks??? I tell you what, the day I need a blessed pair of shooting sticks to shoot my rifle (300 yards offhand) and hit my choosen big game animal, I will hang it up plan and simple.

I learned how to shoot and most who can shoot, went through the same training and practice, some way shape or form. Not your average hunter, who takes out the deer rifle 2 weeks before a season starts. I put hours and hours in learning how to hit targets down range with and M1-Garand and M-14.
Bushman there were several, who could shoot as well as that skinny gunny marine Carlos Hathcock! Now by the way, that Super Sniper used a "model 70 Winchester" bolt action rifle in 30-06 caliber to score his hits. Those other snipers may have not got around in the jungle as well but they certainly could shoot an apple off a fence post at 400 plus yards time after time. The Army also had a few good shooters too, in case you didn't know.

I never knew a sniper who did not use every rest available to him and failed to abhor the standing shot. They wanted all advantages available.

[GF.]

Shooting Sticks??? I tell you what, the day I need a blessed pair of shooting sticks to shoot my rifle (300 yards offhand) and hit my choosen big game animal, I will hang it up plan and simple. .

And for me, the time to hang it up is the day I let my ego get in the way of making the best, surest hit and the quickest, cleanest kill that I can make given the circumstances.

I used to shoot silhouettes with my .22 maybe 3-4 times a week; I don't know that I was ever anything special, but I did do well enough at it that most of the regulars at the local club took the time to learn my name off of the sign-in sheet. So even though I suppose I was shooting plenty well enough off-hand to smack an Elk in the ribs at 300 yards, it just never would have occurred to me to shoot an animal from standing when I could kneel, kneel when I could sit, or just plain sit when I could set up the bi-pod. And no, I didn't practice much off-hand shooting with the 7-mag, because when you're making the princely sum of $642.23 per month, even bricks of .22 LRs seem pretty spendy....

Now that I hunt in thicker woods, I don't carry shooting sticks, but that's because there are always plenty around... You might even say they grow on trees here.... Or if not on 'em, then just like trees! ;)

But as I said before - it's not the guys who can shoot like that who bother me, it's those who - like my almost 7-year-old #1 son - are so good at make-believe that they've lost track of the difference between their dreams and their accomplishments. Sports hero worship is one thing when it's a nine-year-old kid fantasizing about crashing through the line and haulin' arse 80 yards right on over and through the defense just like Larry Csonka; it's something else entirely when that 9-year-old kid has aged 30-40 years, has a rifle in his hands, and hasn't yet figured out that his chances of being just like his hero aren't any better now than they would have been going toe-to-toe with Herman Edwards or Jerry Sherk back in the day...

It'd be one thing if the lame-brained shooter were the only one paying the price for his stupidity; the critters deserve better than that.

And FWIW, JMO, but Larry could take the trouble to be a better role model than that. You think maybe he still needs the hero status?

[Hi Ball]

Well it like this gentelmen, I practice what I preach and was taught! Now without getting into a pat myself on the back scene, I don't need and wont use those so called shooting sticks. ALT you may have not learned how to really shoot on the rifle range during your service time and may not have had the talented people to instruct you as I certainly did at the time. However, those that taught me the ropes, taught very well thank you. Now if it comes a tilme, where I should just happen to need a rest, I'll find one or sit on my arse and shoot from what was known, when I was in the ARMY as the sitting position. Enough said and Happy New Year!

GF.........YADA YADA YADA!!! Pal you come by my place and I'll show you or anybody else, what I can do with a model 70 Winchester bolt action rifle, don't worry about that caliber because I have just about all of them and when you walk through my front door, YOU WILL KNOW IN AN INSTANT I am a HUNTER & SHOOTER and as they said in Hollywood, the proof is on the walls. The picture alblums are on the coffee table for all to view as well. Now you keep your shooting sticks understand. I HAVE NO USE FOR THOSE CRUTCHES PERIOD!!!

[Altjaeger]

Having known and shot regularly with a couple of Special Forces trained snipers back in the 1970's at Ft Bragg I will stand by what I said. I never knew a true sniper who failed to use every bit of cover and concealment available. Most common shot used was prone across a rest often coming after half a day moving into a concealed postion to take a single shot. The one thing most consistent in them was they used the best postion and most support available. Further they never took a standing shot in training. By the way to show the emphasis on cover and concealment one of the standards to pass the course was to work within 10 meters of the instructor, fire a blank round, fire a second round on command and still have the instructor fail to spot you while standing in place.

Your claims remind me of the deer hunters of the early 20th Century hunters that claimed it was unsporting to shoot anything but a running deer or to shoot from any postion except standing unsupported so he had a chance to getaway. My service time began later than yours but the people who taught me were Viet Nam vets, most with multiple tours. It did not take long to sort out the knowledgeable from the BS artists.

[Sabre]

Having known and shot regularly with a couple of Special Forces trained snipers back in the 1970's at Ft Bragg I will stand by what I said. I never knew a true sniper who failed to use every bit of cover and concealment available. Most common shot used was prone across a rest often coming after half a day moving into a concealed postion to take a single shot. The one thing most consistent in them was they used the best postion and most support available. Further they never took a standing shot in training. By the way to show the emphasis on cover and concealment one of the standards to pass the course was to work within 10 meters of the instructor, fire a blank round, fire a second round on command and still have the instructor fail to spot you while standing in place.

I have a very good friend who is a former sniper{ US Army Rangers} and what you're saying is true of him. Funny thing is, he's an exceptional long range, precision rifle shot but I can outshoot him easily and repeatedly from any unsupported position {offhand, kneeling, sitting} at normal hunting ranges. Despite the fact that I had the highest offhand average in the league when I shot competitively and am quite good at it to this day, I generally won't take a shot at game beyond 75 yards or so without grabbing a handy rest or at least getting into a kneeling {second highest average in the league} or sitting position with sling. In fact, when hunting from the ground, I've probably shot more deer from a kneeling position than any other over the years, just because it's so quick and easy to assume and provides significantly improved precision over offhand.

[Altjaeger]

I have a very good friend who is a former sniper{ US Army Rangers} and what you're saying is true of him. Funny thing is, he's an exceptional long range, precision rifle shot but I can outshoot him easily and repeatedly from any unsupported position {offhand, kneeling, sitting} at normal hunting ranges. Despite the fact that I had the highest offhand average in the league when I shot competitively and am quite good at it to this day, I generally won't take a shot at game beyond 75 yards or so without grabbing a handy rest or at least getting into a kneeling {second highest average in the league} or sitting position with sling. In fact, when hunting from the ground, I've probably shot more deer from a kneeling position than any other over the years, just because it's so quick and easy to assume and provides significantly improved precision over offhand.

That would not surprise me as you both would be good at what you practice. Because I tend to select a spot and move back into brush or back up to a tree with a bit of net in front of me most my shots at deer are from a sitting position.

[Hi Ball]

ALT now here me good! I never said I was any type of a Sniper old soldier, on the contrary I had some Army personal teach me how to shoot from ALL positions and we sure as hell didn't use shooting sticks either and neither did any Army Snipers at Fort Benning or Fort Bragg. I learned how to shoot and shoot I can, off handed and this is where people do use the sticks correct old soldier? Most animals I ever shot were from a standing position, some from a sitting and some from a prone........I hate the kneeling position for obvious reasons. So lets NOT YOU be giving me any of the BS crap or I'll tell you to hop your arse on a bus and head toward the Northeast,( my place ) and I just might teach your arse a thing or two about my BS.

I think I did have the talent to become an Army Sniper. if I so wanted to acquire that MOS but back then in my day, they had a rule about soldiers who had to wear glasses and that would have canned me right from the start. I was fortunate to have a certain major, who saw that my more dominate talent was better suited elsewhere, while at Fort Benning and in doing so, I got to eat steak & eggs 3 times a day and had a pass off post 24/7, plus our own special mess hall to boot. Barricks that were a joy to live in with our own private rooms.

[Altjaeger]

ALT now here me good! I never said I was any type of a Sniper old soldier, on the contrary I had some Army personal teach me how to shoot from ALL positions and we sure as hell didn't use shooting sticks either and neither did any Army Snipers at Fort Benning or Fort Bragg. .................................................. .......... So lets NOT YOU be giving me any of the BS crap or I'll tell you to hop your arse on a bus and head toward the Northeast,( my place ) and I just might teach your arse a thing or two about my BS.

I guess Fort Bragg underwent some kind of mystical change between your time there and mine.:smile:

I guess that makes about half the board you have threatened at one time or another. It has become nothing more than a joke shown to be hot air.:biggrin:

[Hi Ball]

Listen Alt, I do believe I mentioned Fort Benning and Fort Bragg and I could have mentioned Fort Dix, Fort Campble, Fort McCullen, Fort Riley and several others but that ok I realize your getting old soldier! Now threat, what threat Pal, I simply invited you to share my shooting skills on the rifle range savvy! I think you must be getting a little spooky in your old age perhaps. Trust me on this ALT I am what I say I am and do what I say I do........You can bet your life on that fact plain and simple. The bottom line is I don't use sticks and won't use sticks! I am simply content to raise my dogs and work them, so you try and have a nice day down in Texas! Sit in front of your trailer and continue to sip your beer while sitting in that rocking chair Bud. Now go Piss up a rope!!!!

[ncboman]

Mr Hi Ball,

I bet a coke you can't freearm outshoot me and any one of several bows at 20yds with the rifle of your choice.

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internet talk is a cheap alternative you're wise to hold dear.

[Bill Gunn]

NC,
I'm sure not sayin' I'd win, but I'll give it a try if we can make it a :pepsi:

This is at 50 feet offhand with a .22 rifle....

[ncboman]

Bill,

I'd make sure you get a prize just for showin up.

On that day, we'd have been close. I'm ready rat now. <wow>

Good shootin btw. : )

[Hi Ball]

Ncbowman anytime you want to have a shoot-off I would be just only to happy to oblige you sir! I rememeber some years back, a somewhat locally famous NFL quarterback and Sports TV man, who challenged a friend of mine by the name of Bill Armmantrout ( Jennings Pro) to a shoot off. Bill was a past state archery champion with a bow indoors and could in fact put 3 arrows together touching at 20 yards. Well to make a long story short, they let the TV Sports Anchor shoot his pistol at 20 feet and Bill shot his bow at 20 yards and placed all 3 shots up tight next to each other, winning the contest.

I think I could give you a run for your money using my Lil Triple Deuce or my new .17 cal Savage, as long as the weather was warm understand, as it is 8 degrees this morning and I just don't like shooting targets in those freezing temps. You can even bring that beer sucking ALT with you and I'll send him back home with his tail between his legs and don't care what he uses in the match. However, your very good bow shooting is not in the same class as shooting a rifle off hand and hitting targets far down range! I am in the process of teaching a young man (17yr) how to shoot a bow and we started off with a Wing Bow of 20-lb, it is going to take him awhile before he gets the hang of things.

[Bushman]

Truth be known, I wouldn't want any of you guys shooting at me if I was a wild thing. I've been reading here long enough to realize that there are some very informed and proficient shooters posting here. Any one of us that post all year long about shooting and hunting are outside the squares of "normal" guys from around here. Most of my guns can shoot better than I can, but I still enjoy getting out there. If I worked at it I could be the #1 gun on our trap team, but having been there and done that, I kind of enjoy being a sub when they put me into the #5 station where there is no pressure other than just beating the 4 other guys and having a beer or two afterward with the guys. My wife always probably put the best spin on it when I came back and told her that I'd shot a sub moa group or a 25 at trap... "That's nice dear." End of conversation.

[Sabre]

NC,
I'm sure not sayin' I'd win, but I'll give it a try if we can make it a :pepsi:

This is at 50 feet offhand with a .22 rifle....

I'd like some of that action too if we could make it a mountain dew. But seriously, North Carolina is just too far to travel for a freindly shootin' match these days. That's some darn good shootin' though Bill ! {and ncboman too !}

[Altjaeger]

Listen Alt, I do believe I mentioned Fort Benning and Fort Bragg and I could have mentioned Fort Dix, Fort Campble, Fort McCullen, Fort Riley and several others but that ok I realize your getting old soldier! Now threat, what threat Pal, I simply invited you to share my shooting skills on the rifle range savvy! I think you must be getting a little spooky in your old age perhaps. Trust me on this ALT I am what I say I am and do what I say I do........You can bet your life on that fact plain and simple. The bottom line is I don't use sticks and won't use sticks! I am simply content to raise my dogs and work them, so you try and have a nice day down in Texas! Sit in front of your trailer and continue to sip your beer while sitting in that rocking chair Bud. Now go Piss up a rope!!!!

Well I don't own a trailer and I do not drink alcohol. But I will enjoy my black coffee or diet Pepsi.:smile:

[ncboman]

ok, so we got coke, pepsi, mt dew, diet pepsi in the cooler and coffee in the thermas.

We can bill it as the HuntAmerica.com shootout and charge admission to cover fuel costs.

I know a spot in Ohio where a free gun range is 1/2 mile from a free campground. <grin>

[Altjaeger]

ok, so we got coke, pepsi, mt dew, diet pepsi in the cooler and coffee in the thermas.

We can bill it as the HuntAmerica.com shootout and charge admission to cover fuel costs.

I know a spot in Ohio where a free gun range is 1/2 mile from a free campground. <grin>

Bill Mc bringing the music? Oh, Old Coot and Alan Mc cooking?:biggrin:

[Hi Ball]

ALT.........Just make sure you bring your rifle and shooting sticks and a helper too if you need it.!!!

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

What makes you think Ralph and I can't outshoot the lot of you!?

Alan

[Bill Gunn]

If you do the cookin', you can take all the prizes home WITHOUT SHOOTING!!!

In this case, it may just be a lot of empty pop cans though, we're not known as BIG SPENDERS :ciao:

[Altjaeger]

What makes you think Ralph and I can't outshoot the lot of you!?

Alan

I don't claim to any longer be the marksman I once was as practice comes seldom. However, I expect I will represent myself well at the table and anyone dining in this group whille enjoying Bill's pickin is likely to leave a winner.:biggrin:

[GF.]

FWIW - putting a pistol up against any half-decent compound shooter is a sucker bet.

And BTW - which one's Ralph?

Bill G. - if you tell me you shot those groups with iron sights, I'm gonna crap myself.:eek: And after that, I'm gonna ask you for the name of your ophthalmologist! :D

I never did much shooting at 50 feet with my .22, because it has a 6X (centerfire) scope on it, and I've had trouble getting a good, crisp image at ranges best measured in feet. But too, I never was a target shooter as one would have to be in order to be competitive; I just wanted to be able to make the silhouette targets start & stop swinging whenever I wanted, and without any dithering over it - gun up, settle the hairs, and ping it. Not that I haven't shot a squirrel or two in the eye, but the most precise shooting I did on any regular basis was when I was practicing on 12-ga. hulls at 50 meters... Compared to that a deer makes a mighty big target, but that has never kept me from taking a rest when one was at hand, or finding the lowest, most stable position that the shot allowed.

And all that said, if a genie popped out of a lamp and offered to grant me my choice between Bill G's shooting skills, or the kind of sneaking around skills that Alt described.... Where do I get fitted for one o' those ghillie suits?

[Bill Gunn]

Bill G. - if you tell me you shot those groups with iron sights, I'm gonna crap myself.:eek: And after that, I'm gonna ask you for the name of your ophthalmologist! :D


That was done with a Remington Mod. 37 with an older Redfield 3200 12 power scope.
I just sold that setup to my cousin. My Dad use to shoot it in competition back in the 50's...

He's in the front center here. In this pic the gun has a 12 power Fecker scope on it..


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I also just sold a Anschutz 64 silhouette rifle, I just don't use them anymore.
My wife and I use to shoot indoor 50' and outdoor silhouette every week.

I did save an Anschutz 1422 Meistergrade with a 6 - 20 power Leupold w/50 foot adapter, it's the most accurate of the 3 guns I used.

http://jga.anschuetz-sport.com/bild.php5?id=4242&maxwidth=600

I usually shoot 50' at 12 power. You can see the grain of the paper the target's made of, and if you follow through correctly, you'll see the bullet in flight just before it hits the paper.
It's really murder in squirrels !!

[GF.]

I'll believe you on that! I'd have to put myself into the 'rough shooting' category to begin with, but especially compared to what you've got going on there....

And I'll bet watching your bullet strike is a good cure for a flinch :D

[ncboman]

I've read about Anschutz rifles but have never shot so fine a gun I doan think.

Wonder why Walt isn't in on this? I have it on good authority he can shoot a lot better than he lets on.

Maybe we should have another cooler ... <ponder> <grin>

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

And BTW - which one's Ralph?


He's the guy who lives in the Culinary 10 Ring! El Senior Coot. Probably a passable shot with a rifle as well.

Alan

[Hi Ball]

Gentlemen who is to say that Larry was the one shooting, who's bullet in fact struck that deer! Now I once saw a team of guys in 4 trucks, something like a dozen of them, witlh camera's who were in fact going to locate and put on film this big scoring deer that Will Primos was going to supposedly hunt and later shoot. They had people to locate the deer and figure out it's traveled spots, bait the deer as well and then set up to shoot the animal, which on film makes Mr. Will Primos look like the great slayer of gigantic bucks. So who really knows what goes on in the "Land Of TV Filming Of Hunts" I ask you?

[Bill Gunn]

I suppose you don't believe in the Easter Bunny either....

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[Bushman]

It was the same with a charter fishing trip on Lake Michigan a few years ago when one of the outdoor show name guys (who will remain anonymous) showed up to fish with one of the local charter guys. They had a flotilla of camera boats, a scuba diver with underwater camera gear and a fishing day where they only caught one salmon. They photographed that fish every way possible and even re-hooked it and threw it back overboard a couple of times so that they could "catch" more fish. Film editing is an art form.

[kjjm4]

I've seen a guy doing that on Lake Erie with a smallmouth. He and his cameramen were driving around to various likely-looking spots, pulling a fish out of the livewell, then playacting landing it. I laughed so hard I about fell out of the boat. It was even funnier because the smallies were actually biting really well that day and I had already caught and released two or three that were significantly bigger than the fishing show guy's fish.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

This is pretty much the way I hunt and fish. What's wrong with you guys?

Alan