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Badger
02-13-2010, 05:48 PM
If sellers of military surplus arms knew what they had and communicated the facts, collectors would spend less time in useless travel!

Yesterday I read in our weekly "Penny Saver" paper a fellow had "A near Excellent M1880 .45/70 Springfield Rifle with Ramrod Bayonet." I called the phone number and chatted with the gun owner. I asked many questions and got the "Right" answers and arranged to drive over this morning to close the deal. The M1880 Springfield is very collectable; only 1014 were made for troop trials on 5 March 1881 and then all were returned to Springfield Armory.

I drove 80 miles round trip to find out the seller had a M1884 Springfield .45/70 Rifle and the bayonet was ROUND and NOT TRIANGULAR as he confirmed the night before on the phone! Also, the stock had numerous holes for Tang Sights and prior owner's name/initials that were crudely sanded out of the butt stock! I provided the accepted NRA Condition standards for used arms and showed him where he had a GOOD Condition arm, at best.

I have learned that the terms "Average" and "Good Condition" do NOT accurately describe used arms. Most sellers over estimate the condition of their used arms. I am leery of the overuse of terms like; "96%" and "98%" and such like meaningless terms. The NRA Condition criteria is far more descriptive even if unknown by most gun sellers.

Badger

swamp
02-13-2010, 06:52 PM
next time ask for pics.. no pics = no travel on a hunch

Badger
02-13-2010, 07:22 PM
swamp,

Thanks for the great advice. I assume you assume the pictures will NOT be Bait and Switch? I asked SPECIFICALLY if the bayonet was TRIANGULAR and he said, "Yes." When I saw the gun today the bayonet was ROUND! I did not travel on a "hunch", rather I asked 12 SPECIFIC questions BEFORE I drove over to see the rifle. I spent 26 years working FRAUD cases, so misrepresentation happens, we just have not arrested all the bad guys yet.

Badger

swamp
02-13-2010, 09:36 PM
well i still think pics are better than no pics

Gil Martin
02-14-2010, 08:48 AM
Happens all the time. Very few folks seem to know the NRA grading system for used firearms. All the best...
Gil

Bill Mc
02-15-2010, 09:12 AM
Some people just don't know...

Just as I was leaving the store (took off early) awhile back, a guy come in with a Mauser. He said he bought it from a widow woman whose husband had tok it off a German in WW2. I won't say what he paid for it.

I looked at the reciever and it was a Spanish one made in the '50s. You could almost hear the "balloon" pop.