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Bill Gunn
04-02-2010, 01:28 PM
Went out on Lake Erie near Buffalo for a few perch. I launched in the Niagara River, went and netted a little bait. I then proceeded to the lake, passing under the International Rail Road Bridge, and the Peace Bridge. Anyone that fishes this area much almost “has” to have a Canadian fishing license, because the line between the countries is crossed so many times during the day, and the best fishing very often is on the Canadian side. As a matter of fact, it is darn near impossible to get out into lake Erie via the Niagara River without going through Canada, as the boundary runs through a rock-strewn area about 1 foot deep, and the boating channel is all on the Canadian side.
The perch in this area, at this time, seem to be in a “Pre-spawn” mode. They are scattered all over, and a lot of searching has to be done to find any numbers of fish.
I started out in a couple of areas in front of the windmills south of Buffalo trying drifting and anchoring, and that equaled no fish, and no bites.
I then headed about 10 miles north to Holloway Bay in Canada, and also tried in front of Point Abino, Canada, a popular spot, and struck out there also no fish, and not even a bite.
I then headed back toward Buffalo, and was fishing near the departure buoy, when another guy (I never met before) pulled up to me and asked how I was doing. I told him all the areas I’ve been to, with no success at all. He said a friend of his did rather well the day before in an area near where I was, and I was welcome to try it there with him.
I was actually about to head in anyways, but decided to give this “new” spot a try. As soon as I dropped in a line, within 2 minutes I had a nice 12.5” perch in the boat!!
Within 10 more minutes, I got two more (and missed 3) 12 to 13” fish. I ended up with 9 REALLY nice fish from 9 ¾” to 13” in about an hour. The guy that showed me the spot got 3, so I offered, and he accepted the fish I had (I already have some in the freezer now), and also I gave him the few minnows I had left. When we were fishing, we were separated buy about ¼ mile, and during that time, a “Homeland Security” boat stopped by and checked us out with his binoculars from about 100 yards away, a very common occurrence in this border area.
When I was giving him the fish, he was telling me about a floatplane that was buzzing the shoreline of the Niagara River. He said within 5 minutes the launch was filled with Homeland Security, Border Patrol/Customs Police, and local cops. They were asking this guy all about the plane, and if he got the #’s, and were in general, pretty much upset that the plane was buzzing the area.
I headed back up the river, and went into the launch at Sheridan Dr. I tied up the boat, went to my truck, and backed my trailer into the water.
I started to untie my boat, and INSTANTLY the world around me changed.
Two Full Cabin Defender Class SAFE boats pulled up behind my boat at a VERY high rate of speed. They came to a sudden stop right behind me, one staying out in the river blocking my escape, and one docking right next to me. The large waves they were making made it VERY hard to keep my boat from slamming into my trailer, and it was very hard to line the boat up right. I was more than a little aggravated, and figured that there must still be some stuff going on about that floatplane that was buzzing the area earlier.
At the same time, a Border Patrol/Customs truck pulled in front of my truck, blocking me in, but I didn’t notice this until later.
Let me say that at this time, I had 4 hours of sleep in the last 24 hours, and was out in the sun fishing all day. I was a little tired, to say the least.
I got in the back of my truck, then on the trailer tongue, and cranked the boat fully on the trailer. By now, 4 or 5 guys had surrounded me with a lot of guns, on the docks on both sides of me.
One of them asked “Is everything still in your boat, that was in your boat when you were out in the water?” I was a little confused by the sudden question, still not having the slightest idea what was going on, but said, “Yes, all my stuff is still in the boat, I’ll take it out after I pull the boat on shore” in kind of a "Matter of fact" way, not thinking much of it.
Now at this point, the guy thinks I’m lying to him.
“What about the “Package” that you took out of your boat, and put in your truck?” he then said. I said, “I didn’t put any package in my truck.” (He’s thinking…. Lie #1)

“Do you have your drivers license? I need to see it.”
I said, “Yes” and started to take out my wallet.
“I also need the registration for the truck, trailer and boat, and they better all better be in your name.”
He asked where I just came from. Thinking he was in the Homeland Security boat that checked us out earlier, I told him “I was one of the boats that was just fishing in front of the steel plant” (He considered this lie #2)
At this point the guy next to him whispered to him, and he said “You were at Crystal Beach (a town) in Canada” (At ALL times when your in the Niagara River, or Lake Erie near Buffalo, they ARE watching you on radar, you can bet your LIFE on it) I told him I drove the boat past Crystal beach on the way to Hollaway Bay, and also fished off of Point Abino.
“Did you catch any fish?” I said yes, I got 9 nice perch, but I gave them away. (Ya, right, he’s thinking). “How big are these “Perch” your catching, about this big” he said as he held his hands about 20 inches apart, (I found out later he knew exactly how big perch were, he was trying to catch me in another lie). No I said, about 9 to 12”s.
“But you were at Crystal Beach” he said, and I said, “I went by it”.
“And your saying that you did not take a package out of your boat, and put it in your truck” “I don’t have any package” I said, and I was just starting to take this serious.

“Will you let us search your truck, we can get a warrant if you wish.” I said I don’t mind at all, and I also said “I’ll pull the truck out of the water for you, and while you’re at it you can search the boat, and anything else you wish.” (I just wanted to go home)
He went into Hyper Mode, pointed his finger at me and said, “Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES are you to attempt to exit the bed of your pickup truck until I say you can….. do you understand exactly what I just said?”

Wow, this just went up about 3 notches, and I honestly was VERY concerned where this was going…

I could hear them going through the truck, as he kept questioning me (like why was I fishing alone, why was it necessary to be in Canada, when there’s fish in the US…. this is when I found out he knew how big a perch was….). I gave him the license, and registrations, and he passed them to another guy, who took them to the boat.

As he was asking more questions, I had seen one of the guys that searched my truck signal him. He had a very perplexed look on his face, and held up his empty hands, and said “Nothing”, as if he couldn’t believe they didn’t find the elusive “Package” they knew I put in my truck.
He told me to stay where I was until they finished checking my ID, and info.

As luck would have it, my cell phone started ringing. I didn’t know if I should move to answer it, so I asked him, “Can I answer the phone?”
He said “I *WANT* you to answer that phone!”
He listened intently to my conversation to my wife, and at the end I said, “Love Ya, I should be home in about an hour.”

He said, “That was your wife?”
“Yes” I said.
Why is she calling you exactly at this time?
I was a little upset (I think it was justified) and told him.
“I’ll tell you why, I had a liver transplant 4 years ago, and I have to take medication every day. She was just reminding me because I sometimes forget, and she was asking how long I was going to fish.”

He said, “Nice wife you got there”
As he handed my ID back to me and said, “Have a nice day”

I didn’t answer back…

The Mysterious “Package”…

I live about an hour from the ramp, and all the way home I of course could not help but wonder what instigated this entire episode.
As I reached for a pack of crackers I had in the console, it suddenly hit me.
New York State just passed a law that if you are in a boat between Nov, and May 1st, you must wear a life preserver. When I went out yesterday, it was in the low 40’s so I was wearing long johns, flannel shirt, heavy pants, and my insulated hunting jacket. After docking the boat, when I was walking back to the truck it was a lot warmer out and I was tired and hot, I took off my jacket, and I also took off my new Inflate-a-belt life preserver, and threw it on the front seat.
A Customs cop was (and is often) parked off to the side to observe any “Suspicious” activity at the ramp such as smuggling, or aliens sneaking across the border. With all the fancy communications, he knew I was in Canadian waters, and observed me throwing this “Suspicious” (Inflate-a-belt life preserver) “Package” in the truck….

I will say I know they were just doing their job and they were very professional about it, but it sure takes the fun out of chasing a few perch when you come under suspicion of smuggling….
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Twanger
04-02-2010, 02:26 PM
Sounds like they were pretty pissed that they didn't get their bust!

Bushman
04-03-2010, 11:30 AM
That is a good one Bill. Reminds me of the time that three of us went out near one of our nuclear power plants on Lake Michigan with our scuba gear to look at the fish around the plant. When two of us went over the side... Lets just say that there were a lot of guys watching us with binoculars all of a sudden.

At least you found a new place to fish.

Bill Gunn
04-03-2010, 06:22 PM
Well it turned out ok,
It could have been 14 shots center mass, hit with a couple of tazers and then sicked a dog or two on me when I started to get out of the truck bed.

That would have hurt my feelings, I don't dislike LEOs at all.....

Alan R McDaniel Jr
04-03-2010, 06:45 PM
I've seen pictures of Bill Gunn, and he's a pretty unsavory looking vato! Especially after he's been fishing!!!!

Alan

Alan R McDaniel Jr
04-03-2010, 09:53 PM
I'm afraid that at some point in that conversation I would give the honcho an ear full. And yes he would have to get a warrant and yes they would have to show due cause for detaining me. If they had probable cause then they don't need permission to search the vehicle. Get a F#(%!$& warrant and give it a go, otherwise, Piss Off. I'm sorry Bill, I know you are a very cooperative kind of guy and don't hold a thing against they guys who were probably, for the most part, trying to do their job, but this is the sort of Jack-booted thuggery that gives LEOs a bad rap. This guy sounds like he was trying to throw his weight around and put on a show for his underlings. He knew it was safe to jack around with the old guy. He'd piss his pants down here. The BP that operate on Falcon and Amistad are used to their suspects just shooting at them first.

Rant off.

Alan


"Have a nice day" would have set me off and "Blowing a Gasket" would have been the tip of the iceberg.

Alan R McDaniel Jr
04-11-2010, 09:25 PM
Bill, I've thought about this thing all week and the more I think about it the madder I get. I just wonder how many times something like this happens and good law-abiding citizens just write it off as the LEOs doing their duty.

A couple of weeks ago when I took #2 son and his GF fishing. On the way back in I let them out at the park, because they wanted to walk around a bit while I went on to the boat ramp. When I got out at the ramp the Game Warden, one that I had met on one other occasion, pulled up and was launching while I got out and tied off. He asked how I was doing and if I had caught any fish. I showed him my fish and we talked some more about various things and I even pointed out that his name tag was coming off. While we were talking another GW truck pulled up behind us and two Game Wardens got out and stood behind me. I turned and shook hands with them and called one of them by name since I have known him for about 5 or 6 years. I kept turning to include them in the conversation and they kept positioning themselves behind me until I got dizzy and excused myself and left to get my truck and load up. As I loaded the boat they continued to talk among themselves. I pulled out of the water and picked up my son and his GF at the fish cleaning station. The two in the truck burned me down pretty good as they were leaving.

Now, I didn't give this whole thing a second thought until after I read about Bill's experience. Now I'm madder than ever.

Then I remember that #1 son and his buddy were out on the lake running his friend's motor that they had worked on. They got stopped and were told to turn off the motor. They explained that they were having motor trouble and that it might not start. They were told to stop the motor anyway. The GWs checked everything on the boat and even asked them why they didn't have any fishing poles, and asked them if they had any fish. They said, "Because............... we are not Fishing. WE are working on the MOTOR". After they checked everything on the boat, they started to leave. My son tied the bow line off to one of their cleats and said that if the motor didn't start the GWs were going to tow them to the ramp. The GWs said they didn't have time. The friend tried the motor and it didn't start. My son told them that at that point they were in distress and he started reaching for his phone to call the police to come tow them in because the two game wardens that caused them to be stranded didn't have time to tow them in. They towed them to the ramp. It wasn't that far and they could have gotten in with the trolling motor but it was the principle of the thing. He said the entire time jet skiers were running all around them throwing a pretty good wake into them and the GWs did nothing about that. They were more interested in hassling the two white guys in the boat who were obviously up to no good since they had no fishing poles or fish and were puttering around poking at the motor three hundred yards from the dock.

Like most folks I just do what I'm supposed to do and treat law enforcement with courtesy and respect. Sometimes I feel like they take advantage of people who they know are not going to give them any problems. Like I said, I really didn't think about it much until I read Bill's post. Now I'm thinking about it and when I see these guys again I'm going to ask them about it and see what they have to say. It has been more than a few times that I have gone out of my way to go over and talk to them, to call in things that I saw that were questionable, and to help out when it was possible. I'm going to start calling them on their behavior from now on.

Thanks for posting Bill, it got me thinking.

Alan

Bill Gunn
04-12-2010, 08:13 AM
I'm afraid that in our post 9-11 lives we have created a situation in which our wives and daughters cannot fly in a plane without being observed nude by our "Secret Police", and our "Secret Police" are a bunch of folks with big "L"s on their foreheads that could not get a job until the Govt. came up with this one. (trust me I know some and this is EXACTLY the case).
They now are taught that they have complete control over us pee-on's, and couldn't be more happy than to force their wills on honest every day Americans to show how tough they now are.

" :deal: Yesterday I got no job, It now says I'm the boss over you"

Bill Gunn
04-12-2010, 10:30 AM
Maybe we should train some "Trunk Monkeys" for terrorists and maybe even fish cops, humans sure ain't workin'.


They seem to work for aliens...


http://www.trunkmonkeyad.com/movies/Monkey7-high.wmv

Bill Gunn
04-13-2010, 06:31 PM
Alan,

I'm going back to that launch tomorrow for some more perch fishing.

If you don't hear from me.....

Alan R McDaniel Jr
04-13-2010, 10:13 PM
Ask them, "Whaddya gonna do Chump? Waterboard me?!!!"

Be sure and write when you get computer privileges.

Alan

Bill Gunn
04-14-2010, 04:03 AM
Might go like this.....

Him: "Can I search your truck? I can get a warrent..."

Me: " Can I shoot your gun? I can get a target...."

dave-t.
04-14-2010, 09:23 AM
Oh I like that one.:biggrin:

Greybeard
04-14-2010, 11:30 AM
Bill, when I was a kid, we lived in Niagara Falls, NY. Firecrackers weren't legal in NY state then. My bike was a Schwin with a battery horn console built into the cross frame. I could buy firecrackers in Niagara Falls, Ontario, take off the horn cover, put the firecrackers in there, and ride the bike across the border to back home. The border agents always stopped of course and asked where we were born, had been, purpose of trip etc. but never did look inside of our bikes (that had a horn console). Booze smuggling across the Niagara River by boats was popular during prohibition. No radar then. The typical smuggling boat was a long, narrow beamed, low freeboard inboard. After prohibition, most fishing guides bought and used them in their trade. Some were still in use through 1964 when I moved away. Greybeard/

Bill Gunn
04-15-2010, 08:22 AM
Well, I made it back unscathed, and with 37 really nice perch, and I quit about 1:PM !! I usually stop at 30 (Limit is 50) but you know how it is when "The bite is on" !!

You know, I honestly think that a big problem Homeland security has is BOREDOM. In this area, I've see at least 4 of their Rambo boats of different sizes. I talked to two different fishermen yesterday, one a guide that is on the water a lot, and both of them have been harassed by HLS. Not only by Homeland security, but also the Sheriff's dept, game wardens, and the local cops.
I was once trolling on lake Erie, when a local cop pulled so close to the boat that my buddy had to pull in his rod, or he would have hit it. Then "Brainiac" says "What are you guys doing?"

I shook my head WTF, and oh so wanted to say "Watching porno flicks on my depth finder, you azzhat"

A funny one happened on a local smaller lake in this area. It was one of those days when goofy things just seem to happen. At one point my fishing buddy said "Turn around and look behind the boat". I looked, and here was a deer swimming out in the middle of the lake, about 10 yards behind the boat with not a care in the world. It swam buy us like we weren't even there, and we watched it for about a half mile to shore.
We were fishing in an old carp shooting boat of mine with the name "Brain Dead" on the side (we would whack the 30 to 40 pound carp on the head with a hammer to keep them from flopping around in the boat).
http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2250/777751/2652330/385723345.jpg

Here comes the local Sheriff putting down the lake, and he also had a decal on his boat (it had a little more writing than this one, it said "Marine Division" or something like that at the bottom of the inter circle)...
http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2250/777751/2652330/385723771.jpg

I know he didn't get any sex that day, and his demeanor showed it. He pulls up close to us and starts YELLING like he's really pissed off at us.... "Where's your life preservers" (we showed him) "Where's your fire extinguisher" (we showed him) "Where's your horn or whistle" (we showed him).....
This went on until he couldn't think of anything else to ask us for, and then the REAL reason he harassed us surfaced..
He suddenly yells..."What the hell does it say on the side of your damn boat, the God Damn letters on the sign are all upside down, back wards and I can't read a damn thing it says"

Well, my fishing partner was a L E O from Wyoming County where we lived.
He shot back instantly.. "Well... the letters on your sign on the side of your boat are written in a circle, and I can't read yours either"
I about pissed my pants, and could not help but laugh at the guy.
I thought for sure we were going to jail, but they did the buddy-buddy LEO thing and all was fine. I laughed all day over that one.

The thing is, with HLS, you got all these Rambo type guys trained to be Al-Qaeda super killers, and unlike the Mexican border, there ain't been a freaking thing going on in the area for YEARS. The honest to God last thing, was that about a year or so ago a guy and a girl walked across the ice bridge that forms some times in the lower Niagara River below the falls in the winter. ( this use to be legal to do, there were shanties selling liquor, photographs and curiosities, but on February 4th 1912 the ice bridge broke up and three tourists lives were lost, so they stopped it).
So with nothing to do, and a bunch of guys that just want to go fishing that are like baby deer to a mountain lion, they can't resist harassing us. I think they should make them be Guards at Attica Prison for 6 months out of the year guarding father rapers, and baby killers. Then they would be glad to be sunning themselves on a boat on the Niagara River, and Lake Erie. Maybe they could even get a little fishing in, and be doing something fun, seeing as how their out there on my dime anyways...
When we were fishing yesterday (about 25 boats spread out) we were about 100 or 200 yards across the Canadian Border. They stopped at the border line and were giving us the "Hairy Eyeball" with their super duper spy glasses. I bet their mouths were salivating watching us, but they can't cross the line....
Na Ne Na Ne Na NA :reddy:]

The perch were great, my wife cooked up a bunch for supper, and I pigged out on 'em !!

Greywolf
04-15-2010, 08:56 AM
Bill,
the law on our boundry waters here is "stop fishing 2 hours past sundown, and resume at 2 hors prior to sun up" is that so HLS can sleep or is that an invitation to cross the river at the right time?

Speaking of boredom, they even stop vehicles leaving the US side here?

Bill Gunn
04-15-2010, 09:37 AM
We fish 24/7 here. I leave home sometimes at 11:00 pm, and launch in Buffalo at Midnight for some of the best walleye fishing you could ever imagine.
I have limited out in less than an hour in Canadian waters with 6 fish that average 5 or 6 pounds, and go up to 8 pounds.
It's a lot of fun trying to control them to the boat, and then net them yourself in the pitch dark out on the lake. I really enjoy that.

If they put a time limit for fishing in this area, there would be a riot. There's thousands of boats in this area and some guys only fish at night.
Like I said before, your on radar at all times when on our boundary waters. You would be kind of dumb to try to get away with anything. They even have lights, motion and sound detection on the bottom of the bridges that cross the Niagara.

Bushman
04-15-2010, 01:41 PM
Graywolf, you mean boats or cars and trucks on the US side of the border? International Falls into the Canadian side of Fort Frances is like a minnow trap. It is real easy to get in, but you are looking at 2-3 hours idling your way in line to get back out into the US. Almost reason enough not to go up there and play with their fish like we do.

Greywolf
04-15-2010, 02:29 PM
Bushman,
Cars and trucks. Boats are not bothered much here, the Border Patrol catches it's occasional victims on tera firma.

The Customs agents, which are now HS, can be pure prix.
I have a bro in law that comes from CT. each year, and lives at his residence in Canada, about 18 miles from here.
He comes into the US each morning, and works as a painting contractor, here abouts.
When he ws in the last leg of his move back to CT. last fall, HS stopped him and began some trumped up investigation which nearly led to a fist (and club/gun ) fight.
With in the group, every man there knew Roland, and some were even related to him. It made no difference once he took offense to being questioned. The fight was on. He got away without being taken into full custody, but just barely.
It's like Bill said, they have all that power and need some way to utilize it.

i have had the experience of being passed through Canadian Customs only. to be the "only" vehicle stopped in an RCMP Road Block. They are so subtle in thier dis trust.
But as you say., the longest wait has usually been returning to the US.
And some of those incedent's have been dealing with relatives that work there.
They are equal oppertunity skeptics, I guess.:rolleyes1: