How many of us made it over here?

[GMWW]

Hi guys. It took me a while to figure out the other forum wasn't going to be fixed and found the new one. How many others made it here from the Traditional side?

Gmww

[Don Wald]

GMWW,

I'm here.

Don Wald

[Bill Gunn]

Looks like 139 so far...

[M99ER]

Not me...

I'm still looking...

Where's Waldo? :confused:

[GMWW]

I saw Captchee on the list of members. Anyone see Ratus?

[Otter]

I made it back . . . Sorry, ya'll . . .

[captchee]

took me a long time . infact i had just about given up . .

i think probably alot of folks didnt make it . exspecialy if they didnt have a link to the main page for HA . then they will probably never find it

[GMWW]

Sort of feels like the ship sunk and were seeing how many survived. I pretty much gave up but decided to go to the main page and read it carefully.

[Rattus58]

Well I'm back.. :)

[ncboman]

Glad to see you guys made it. :)

I'm about out of breath. <crazy icon>

ncboman

[Badger]

I finally figured out the combination to get back here.

Badger

[captchee]

good to hear rattus

[TinStar]

I made it. All things are new and it might take some getting used to.

TinStar
Soli Deo Gloria!

[Twanger]

Swamp did a great job getting the new forum up and running. It took a long time, but it's good to see people back.

Too bad all the old posts were lost... I guess we'll just have to rehash it all again! :p

I was thinking of starting a thread titled "Unsafe muzzleloaders!" :D :eek:

[captchee]

now now twanger .
i m sure the venue will come up , again and again LOL

[GMWW]

Or propper bore cleaning.

[Gil]

Here! All the best...
Gil

[Badger]

Gil,

I am glad you followed my advice and made it across...

Badger

[tjhuels]

Took a while, but I'm here. Never made a lot of of posts on the other site, but always enjoyed the comments and info.

In the process of building a CVA percussion .45 cal "Kentucky Long Rifle" (not all that long!) from a kit.

Any ideas on stain? Reddish, brown/tan? Don't like the color that's on the cover of the box. Will brown the barrel when finished.

TH

[hellrazor]

What is a muzzleloader? I thought Rattus was shooting his compound slingshot? :eek:

[captchee]

Took a while, but I'm here. Never made a lot of of posts on the other site, but always enjoyed the comments and info.

In the process of building a CVA percussion .45 cal "Kentucky Long Rifle" (not all that long!) from a kit.

Any ideas on stain? Reddish, brown/tan? Don't like the color that's on the cover of the box. Will brown the barrel when finished.

TH

well , you can use just about any color you want Coco bean or Cordovan will give you that deep red brown color . when your looking for stain colors though , keep in mind that the factory stock is 99% of the time Birch


if your going to invest the time of re finishing it . then i would also recommended bringing things down concerning the wood as well .

[ncboman]

then i would also recommended bringing things down concerning the wood as well .

I doan understand what you mean by that. :confused:

Has anyone here ever used tung oil or boiled linseed to refinish?

ncboman

[GMWW]

Took a while, but I'm here. Never made a lot of of posts on the other site, but always enjoyed the comments and info.

In the process of building a CVA percussion .45 cal "Kentucky Long Rifle" (not all that long!) from a kit.

Any ideas on stain? Reddish, brown/tan? Don't like the color that's on the cover of the box. Will brown the barrel when finished.

TH


I like Laurel Mountain Forge products.

[captchee]

bringing down the wood means , bring it down to shape thats proper . these stock have way , way to much wood , they also are shaped wrong behind the tang. l the wrists are to thick , as are the for stocks . nose caps also need alot of work ..
check out some of the originals , you will get an idea of how thin and light fraimed they really are ..
look closly along the barrels and tang as well as around the lock motices , you will see what i mean .

one thing you will notice right off is how thin the wood is along the barrel . where the traditions and CVA most times have a good 1/4 inch along the barrel over the correct 1/8 to 1/32 along the barrel

what i was getting at about the stains is that the stock will most likly be Birch . as such you want a stain that works good on birch . Oils work nicly . But for instance , for the most part oil base stains dont really work well on maple , unless they are natural , like dutch boy .

Laurel Mountain Forge products are for the most part used on maples . they will work on Birch but the colors may turn out different .

as to tung oil surfaces with linseed oil base . the linseed will hold the tung oils on top and not let the penetrate . they still however will seal very well and not flake or peal .

if you dont do a linseed base with tung or true oils , what will happen is if you ever have to do a repair , you will have a difficult time matching the stain , or re staining it . Tung oils go very deep and they seal close to 90% . IE you cant stain through them real well . Linseed you can
the reason for this is linseed only seals about 10% . this means that it alows moistures to go through the oil to the stock . they also never 100% dry . now to clarify this . what im getting at is that while the feel dry to the touch , they never completely dry . this includes boiled linseed .
if you use linseed alone , over time , the stock will begine to darken in the areas where you hold the rifle or it naturaly rests . this is becouse the linseed collects the oils and dirts . Tung will not do that . as such , i use linseed as a base oil and then wet sand , re oil , wet sand , re oil . this fills the pours . once donr , come back with a couple light coats of tung to seal the stock

[ncboman]

excellent.

thanks for info worth saving. :)

ncboman

[GF.]

I'm here, too... just not as focused on the lautenboomers as I used to be...

Hearing aids for #2 son are expected to run north of $5k, so the muzzlestuffer budget is long gone...

Just out of interest, though....

Captchee... Do you really think there's any sense in remodeling an entire stock for a kit unless you just really, really want to take o the project?

Seems that if a guy really had any sense, he'd buy a better quality kit that was done right in the first place.....

[DaveHawk]

Hey Bouys, How ya all doen?

One of the best books I've found to see originals along with the REST of colonial live needs of the everyday man is the:
Collection's Illustrated Encyclopedia of the American Revolution.

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[howdydoit]

I made it but dont really play much in traditional anymore. Ive got a renegade a friend gave me. Prolly hunt with it and thats about it.

Howdy

[captchee]

Captchee... Do you really think there's any sense in remodeling an entire stock for a kit unless you just really, really want to take o the project?

Seems that if a guy really had any sense, he'd buy a better quality kit that was done right in the first place.....

well thats hard to say . but ya if its a kit , then do it right to start with .
manytimes not only do they shoot better , do to better ballance and fit . but it doesnt take all that much work or a whole lot of added cost

the other reason is just pure looks .
if you have an old gun that shoots good but you wanting to go to the estent of refinishing it . then IMO it doesnt take all that much work to go all the way and do the complete job .

also like with the CVA and traditions long rifles . some folks just dont like the looks , even though the rifle may shoot just fine . so they go looking for a new rifle . but in actuality if they just restocked the rifle , they could have what they are looking for for 1/2 the cost

[howdydoit]

also like with the CVA and traditions long rifles . some folks just dont like the looks , even though the rifle may shoot just fine . so they go looking for a new rifle . but in actuality if they just restocked the rifle , they could have what they are looking for for 1/2 the cost

Too true but then they cant brag about spending 1-5k on a custom for some one like Mike Brooks or any other makers.

Howdy.

[captchee]

and why would you want to , when the assembly and kit market is so large .
now if you want a gun thats hand made to fit you , that’s a complete different story .

While mike offers some nice pieces , at least for me , he is not on my list of brag about’s when it comes to high end rifles .
5000 would be the high side for many makers to include mike .
But I know smiths that build in ranges from 1000, to 20,000
My simi Custom and custom pieces range from 900-3000 .
But at the same time I do restocks for many of the production guns for less then 300.
At the same time I know folks who will not take on a restock or anything . They just don’t want their name associated with those type of rifles . I cant blaim them really , and I see their points .
However when a person comes to me and asks what I can do with what they have and are willing to pay my asking price. ha,, im a gunsmith . i work on and repair exsisting pieces as well as make simi custom and custom guns . as such i see no issue with restockings when thats what a customer wants

Buts lets be honest . With today’s parts assemblies , some with reasonable skill . Who is willing to put forth the time in research , can produce a very nice piece .
But again , if we look at the cost of parts alone . That is where the price lays . IE barrels locks and such .
for instance lets take a traditions kit . Your looking at anywhere between 175-275 for the kit .
That doesn’t even cover the cost of a quality barrel and lock for a parts assembly.
Not to mention even if you add in a duplicated stock , and hardware that still needs drilled , inlet , finish shaped and finished .
now take another staep up and consider a hand picked very dense stock blank that needs everything inlet , shaped, drilled . Inlays done , carving done. as well as all the bright work and engravings .
add in now a time involved
I can say that with the rifles I build , my labor is less then half of the price of the components when it comes to the more simple requests in the 900.00 range . The reason for that is that I still do the rifle with a quality Americian made barrel . Quality lock , trigger and such

But for someone who is building one of these traditions or other kits , why not take the relatively small added time to finish them correctly and then brag about you doing the work ?
Myself I see nothing wrong with that . I have seen examples where people took their time and the rifles turned out very nice ., they are slim , well proportioned and balanced .
But see with these bolt together kits ,to often people just do that . They don’t realize that a lot of shaping still needs to be done . There is more to it then just putting the parts in and staining the stock .
But of they do that and learn alittle bit about what the rifle should look like
Then down the road if one decides to the have the parts to do something else.
Maybe they like the lines of a Derrick or Beck . Well as long as the don’t mind a short barrel and incorrect lock , then why is there in issue with inletting what they have to that style of stock ?
Myself I do any number of these restocks every year for folks .

Now don’t get me wrong here . Im not saying the components of these production kits are anywhere near the quality of a simi custom or custom rifle .
But what I am saying is that folks should get the most out of what they can afford.
So if you have one of these production rifles . You find it to be a good , reliable consistent shooter and you going to refinish it or are starting a kit , then do it to the best the rifle will allow. then stand back an be proud , becouse you did the work .

now of course none of this is going to mater for someone who just wants to get out and shoot . if thats a persons qoal , then they should do that . but again if your going to take the time to refinish , then IMO one should go the exstra few steps and do a complete job over just sanding off the old finish and slapping on a new color .

[Tanstaafl]

Was told things had been changed and the trad/modern forums were now separated again and things were on a more even keel.

Has been years since here, so doubt few, if any remember me, but just dropped by to lurk for awhile.

Tanstaafl

[Twanger]

Wow! Tanstaafl! Welcome back! Haven't seen you post in years!
Whatcha shootin' these days?

[Tanstaafl]

Hey Twanger, how goes the battle with you?

Mostly been shooting the breeze as of late. I did make up a fusil de chasse, 20 balls to the pound and a Lancaster style .54 rocklock.

With the year round open season on Eurasian Collared Doves here in AZ, been having a blast (weak pun) with the fusil smoothie. Not having much effect on their overpopulation, but still a lot of fun, even with my lack of rocklock shooting skills on darting flying birds.

[Twanger]

It's all good Tan.
I've mostly been whacking deer in the Maryland suburbs with my bow, but still get out with the muzzleloader once in a while. Late ML season is my favorite time to hunt with a smoke pole... all the light-weights have retired to the couch, and I have the local WMA to myself. :D

I've thought about getting a smooth-bore that could switch between bird and ball. I've heard that a tightly patched ball in a smoothie will be good to 30 or 40 yards, and I'd say 80% of the deer I've killed with a gun were inside 40 yards.

[DaveP]

HA!
Thought you all could move the party and not tell me, huh?

[DaveHawk]

Darn he found up LOL

[DaveP]

This is what, the third time ya'll tried to ditch me?

I'm nothing if not peristant!