Home invasions

[ncboman]

Home invasions seem to be becoming more and more common in my general area of the east coast. Here's just one of the latest in the news;

Victim of Norfolk home invasion dies from injuries

NORFOLK -- The elderly victim of a violent home invasion in Norfolk has died.

Police say 90-year-old Marion Wheeler succumbed to his injuries Saturday night at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital.

On April 28, Wheeler and his wife were attacked and beaten inside their home on Sunset Drive.

No arrests have been made.

The attack on the Wheelers was the second in as many days in that section of Norfolk. The previous day, an elderly woman was attacked and robbed on Cape View Avenue. A suspect has been arrested in that incident.

Residents of the neighborhood expressed fear and outrage at the violent home invasions.

Police say they've identified a person of interest in the Sunset Drive case and are closer to making an arrest.


web page (http://www.wvec.com/news/topstories/stories/wvec_top_050309_home_invasion_victim.163262d6.html )

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This is just one story of many. I use to think it was drug dealers getting robbed but I'm reasonably sure these old folks weren't selling drugs.

Is this going on all over or is it just a feature of our 'racially diverse' area?

ncboman

[Bill Gunn]

Around here it's 99.9% Black on Black crime in the cities, so I don't worry about it at all.

I do have a Loaded Mod. 66 waiting to greet the first one that wants to give it a try though :rolleyes:

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2250/777751/13525437/362296391.jpg

[LampLighter]

Even more important is not to be fooled. Don't fall for any tricks. That UPS man in uniform, even with the brown step truck, is a home invader until you are convinced otherwise. He doesn't have to know you are behind the next door with that 66 in both hands while someone else in your family opens the door. If he's legit, nobody has to know you were ready. Far better than seeing in the peep hole, " oh, it;s the UPS man" simutaneously putting the 66 away then opening the door. Just don't let your guard down. Prove he is the UPS man, or the Pest Control man. Or whatever.

[Badger]

People have to stay on their guard 24/7. I still hear my rural, local neighbors casually say, "We never lock our doors." I lock my doors when I am in my home during the day. The dog let's me know when we have company. Last week the police here arrested a trio of fellows who committed over 100 burglaries in the last 12 months. I am sure they "cased" my home a time or two. If I was outside, they did not like what they saw.

Badger

[Sabre]

NC, Don't be so quick to assume these invasions aren't drug related. My brother is best freinds with the local chief of police and he tells me the biggest drug dealers in the area are senior citizens. No joke.

[ncboman]

Police: Two Marines Shot By Their Targeted Victim, Another Marine

A shooting is under investigation in Craven County, and officials say all three people involved are in the military.

The shooting happened Saturday just before midnight at Ketner Boulevard in Havelock.

According to officials, "preliminary investigation suggests that 2 subjects went to the residence with the intent of assaulting the homeowner as the result of a prior dispute. During the confrontation the two subjects were shot multiple times inside the residence."

WITN has confirmed all three involved are Marines stationed at Cherry Point Marine Corps Air Station in Havelock.

Police say the homeowner has been identified as 25-year-old Blane Hallmark, while the two Marines are Jacob Sylvester, 22, of Havelock and Tony Fuentes, 19, of New Bern.

Authorities now say charges are pending against the two men intruders.

Officials say both people shot are currently being treated at Pitt Memorial Hospital in the Intensive Care Unit. One is listed as being in critical but stable condition and the other is listed as being in good condition..

web page (http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/44304712.html)

ncboman

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

He doesn't have to know you are behind the next door with that 66 in both hands while someone else in your family opens the door. If he's legit, nobody has to know you were ready. Far better than seeing in the peep hole, " oh, it;s the UPS man" simutaneously putting the 66 away then opening the door. Just don't let your guard down. Prove he is the UPS man, or the Pest Control man. Or whatever.


I'm kinda at a loss for words. There's so much I just don't know where to start.

* Send a family member (loved one) to answer the door while you cover them from behind another door with twin 66s. If things are so bad that you have to answer the door armed, you should probably move. When I, King of my Castle, the Big Dog, Lord High Executioner of the manor sees the day when the first thing anybody at my door sees is not ME, I'm going to crawl under a rock and die. If there is someone wanting to come in to my house they are going to have to go through me first and they better not be disguised as a UPS man wearing brown short-shorts, because I'll hang them by their balls next to the bird feeder.

* Are you Paranoid or something? Is there really a need in your area to answer your door with two drawn pistols. Shit, If UPS ever found out that you do that they would just drop your boxes off at the curb if they would deliver to you anymore at all.

* This is the sort of crap that anti-gunners pick up on and use as ammo against "sensible" people who handle guns responsibly. What you're talking about is the way the Druggies answer the door. They always got "The Man" bangin on the door or other druggies coming to steal their stash. If you really do that man, at least don't talk about it in public. It makes the rest of us look bad.

I usually try not to piss in someone's Cheerios like this, and especially not in our nice shiny new forum but you gotta stop and think about what you're typing.

Alan

[ncboman]

I'm kinda at a loss for words.

:D

ncboman

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Only for a moment.

Alan

[LampLighter]

I buy them when I see them. Even if they will only sell me 100 at a time, I just buy what I can, when I can. I'm not too concerned about powder but primers are the thing.


and you got nerve to run your mouth here after posting on the reload board that you are a panicky ammunition hoarder. You do not belong being in possession of firearms. I suggest you go visit the reload thread about hoarding. You are my star character. If you are not prepared to defend your property, you really should take up golf.

I witnessed a home invasion. I saw the perps rush the door. Mr Jack, who by the way recently died, owned a revolver. He often bragged how he was "ready." Guess what. He let his guard down. I saw him standing in the street with the blood running down his face, EMT's treating him, after the perps beat him silly with their gun.

And as far as you running your mouth here about residency, I live in the country on lots of land. I have deer in my front yard regulary. There is no fear here at my house. But, I am aware of my surroundings. Mr McDaniel, I would venture to say you live in a suburb and cannot even fire a weapon in your yard. So next time think twice before running your mouth.

and another thing. I have not seen any deer or turkey posted that you killed. Lets see some of your kills. Come on, post some pics for us. Too much armchair quarterbacking today.

Furthurmore, I would expect a post like that from you. Law enforcement has been saying for years that most civilians will have their own firearms taken away from them by perps. That is why. You were too ignorant to get the purpose of the example given. You ran away with it and portrayed your own self-fulfilling prophecy. Now, how you like them Cheerios ?


Are you Paranoid or something? Is there really a need in your area to answer your door with two drawn pistols

Here is where I make you look stupid. No one said anything about two pistols, and no one said anything about answering a door with pistols drawn. It is there for anybody to read, and you write that. You had to know that anybody could look back and interpret the text, and see how ignorant the above quote is. You need to THINK before typing here on our new, shiny forum.

Now, look at what happened to Mr Jack in my tru story. The reason why you get someone else to answer the door is because YOU ( well not you Mcdaniel) but most men who own firearms probably are in a better position to take out an intruder should he indeed be a home invader. Mr. Jack was the one, but he answered the door, and was immediately beat on the head with another firearm. Ah boy! You don't have any handguns, do you Alan ?

[ncboman]

:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/ncboman/11%2008/Archery1108044.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/ncboman/11%2008/Archery1108047.jpg

;)

ncboman

[Bill Gunn]

only for a moment.

Alan

L O L

[LampLighter]

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[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

This is too good. I have to go to work and can't do it justice with the short answer. I will work on it as I have time, but I'll be back and I'm going to be using smilies too!:D

Alan

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

nc, turn around reeeeeaall slow like. There's a deer right behind you.

Alan

[Herne]

Well well.

Dear old England seems very dull after all this. Or my bit of it.

I hadn't thought of fire and manoevre being necessary when opening the door to the postie. The daughters boyfriend, yes of course, but the postie seems a little extreme. On which flank do you post the machinegunner? Or is it more CQB with stun grenades?

If ever the case was made that effective gun controls are necessary and desirable, that was it.

People actually have loaded weapons about in the house, not locked away, in case someone knocks at the door? Seriously?

God help them and their sick society that that is seen and advocated by anyone as a necessary and routine part of life.

[Sabre]

Herne, I think you can rest assured that lamplighter is a bit of an extremist here. I have guns tucked away in closets, gun cabinets and just about every corner of the house but I don't feel any need to answer the door with one in hand.

[Altjaeger]

Herne, among the members here I think you will find a relatively high percentage that maintain a house gun. I will hazard a wild guess of 20-25 percent. In the general population my guess would be 2-3 percent. One in a thousand may actually have use for it in their lifetime and about one in a hundred of those ever have to fire. In the other cases the mere presence is enough to resolve the situation. No individual I know "packs" around the house or answers armed unless specific trouble is anticipated. It is hard to imagine a mentally balanced individual who would.

I think it is fair to say Lamplighter is "unique" in many ways.

[GF.]

JMO...

On the one hand, Lamplighter is as right as he is paranoid--if you unsuspectingly open your door to anyone who is prepared to knock you flat, chances are pretty darn good that you're gonna end up flat on your arse and quite completely out of control of the situation. Skilled martial artists and dirty street fighters quite possibly excepted.

And on the other hand....

Dear God.

What good is it to live in a 'free' country as a prisoner in your own home?

I'll fess up. If somebody came into our home bent on doing us harm, we'd be SOL. I don't keep anything the least bit 'handy' because I have two small boys running around, and I'd probably need the better part of a full minute to lay my hands on anything but my compound....by which time.... I suppose I don't care to think about it.

But I'm not living in fear of being invaded, either. I could. Some might even say that I should, given what I just said about how defenseless my home actually is. But I choose not to.

I dunno, man... Maybe it's a little too quiet out there in the sticks and you have to make up your own excitement:confused:

[Herne]

I'm glad to see that genetically we are mostly related.

I admit back in the seventies the IRA mounted as specific campaign against military living on their own attached to civilian setups, Like recruiters - I was doing something in that line, and 3 military in the (50 mile radius)area were targeted and killed.

Yes I had a 45ACP, and yes it was kept loaded and yes one was careful. I believe reasonably so in the circumstances (until the cell was caught and the threat eliminated - about 6 months as I recall). (Never saw a baddy and would probably have farted dust if I had!)

But IMHO, thats slightly different from running an anti personnel armoury against every day life - mentality wise if you'll pardon the execrable English.

[Bill Gunn]

Herne

The town I live in has had one shooting (no stabbings, stompin' or even baseball battings) in the last 32 years that I know of, and it most likely goes back way farther than that. The one we had, was a out of his mind drug addict (from out of town), that shot a milk truck driver picking up a load of milk at a Dairy Farm for absolutely no reason at all, about 25 years ago. Most people around here seldom lock their doors, and ALL the neighbors know where the extra key is in case they need to get in while your gone.

We're not suppose to say it (PC ya know) but 99% of the shootings in New York (and I bet most other states) are Blacks or Hispanics shooting Blacks & Hispanics in the inter cities, killing each other because their wearing the wrong color cloths (gang colors) or drugs. To them, these are certainly reason enough to kill a 13 or 14 year old, be it that they are the intended target, or collateral damage (they couldn't give a rats ass).
Then the other neighborhood Blacks say "I don't see nothin' " protecting the guilty. If the police put pressure on the gangs they immediately yell "Discrimination".
Personally, it's gotten to the point that that if they don't care that their kids are killing the neighbor's kids, I don't much care either (It's gotten to be a daily thing on the evening news on TV).
Now honestly, can anyone here tell me in how many white suburbs or country towns do you see this going on?

Please NAME ONE for me... :rolleyes:

Thats why I (and most others on this board) would never see the need to open the door "Gun in Hand"...

Like Alan said, If you do, you owe it to your family to move the hell out of that area.

[Bayrat]

Home invasion here is more likely from the furry four footed types.

Few folks lock their houses here.... some not even when they go away on vacation. In cold weather, at the post office parking lot, most of the cars have the motors running. Many of the cars outside the local market, same thing.

Most of the pickup trucks have guns in the rear window rack. People are used to it because most folks around here have been taught how to safely use them from an early age.

We did have a shooting last year. First one since the late 1800's. Two drunks living in the apartments behind town fighting over a card game.

However, I can understand Herne's initial view having had friends from just outside London staying here for a few days while touring the States. They were horrified to see my 12 year old daughter walking through the house with her 20 ga shotgun.

She had just passed the hunter safety course and gotten her hunting lic a couple of days before they arrived. We were due to go squirrel hunting in a couple of weeks. I had her practicing making sure the action was open, unloaded, and how to move with the muzzel under control at all times. We did this for about an hour daily so she'd become used to the weight and feel of the gun. Plus, with having her concentrating on keeping the muzzel always in a safe direction, it would become second nature to her before we were in the field.

Took awhile, to explain that to our Brit friends, but once I did they understood and acutually thought it was a good idea.

Sure was an interesting reaction at first though. I didn't know peoples eyes could get that big !!!:D

Bayrat.

[Sabre]

Same here Bayrat. My wife leaves her keys are in her car all of the time. Lot's of people leave their car running while they go into the store {including yours truly} and many don't lock their house doors. Whereabouts in NY are you at ?

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Gosh, y'all sure been busy on this one. I spent the better part of my lunch composing a reply but it seems almost pointless to post it at this point ......... unless of course there's really a need. I just got back from Victoria about 30 min ago. I was trying to buy some more primers to hoard but there weren't any to be had to hoard. They've all been hoarded. Oh Well.

Herne, If aliens ever come to pick up a random sample of life on Earth, although it would be tough to work up a good case of missing him, I hope they don't pick up Red. It would spoil our fun and they'd have all those holes in their space ship to contend with.

I'm sure Red's a nice guy. He'll probably be Bobby Jindal's Sec. of Defense.

Alan

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Or maybe, DHS Director!

Alan

[ncboman]

Indictments: Officers lied, stole, brandished guns

Spring Lake, N.C. — One Spring Lake police officer held three men at gunpoint, and a second officer stole money and lied to cover it up, according to indictments handed down Monday by a Cumberland County grand jury.

Sgt. Darryl Eugene Coulter Sr. and Sgt. Alphonzo Devonne Whittington Jr. were arrested Monday and were being held Tuesday in the Cumberland County Jail. A spokeswoman for the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office said more arrests were expected in the case.

According to an indictment, Coulter forced his way into a residence at 427 Vass Road on April 27, 2008, assaulted three men who were inside, pointed a handgun and shotgun at the men, forcibly removed them from the house and handcuffed them against their will. He was charged with three counts each of second-degree kidnapping, simple assault, assault with a deadly weapon, assault by pointing a gun and false imprisonment and one count each of felonious breaking and entering, felonious obstruction of justice and willfully failing to discharge duties.

Coulter, a 10-year veteran of the Spring Lake Police Department, was charged in a second indictment with felony obstruction of justice and willfully failing to discharge duties. Those charges stemmed from a Sept. 17 call at a Sleep Inn motel in which he allegedly told subordinate officers to lie about smelling marijuana in a room where the officers seized $2,900.

Whittington, who has been with the department for four years, was accused in an indictment of stealing that $2,900 from the department's evidence room between Sept. 17 and Jan. 28, falsifying records to cover up the theft and reprimanding another officer who wouldn't also alter records. He is charged with three counts of felonious obstruction of justice, two counts of willfully failing to discharge duties and one count each of embezzlement by a public officer, obtaining property by false pretense, felonious larceny, larceny by trick, larceny by employee and solicitation of another to commit a felony.

Sources told WRAL News that the incident at the Sleep Inn was a State Bureau of Investigation sting. The SBI has been investigating the Spring Lake Police Department for two years.

The Cumberland County Sheriff's Office assumed control of the police department Monday. Sheriff Earl "Moose" Butler said four deputies would work on each shift in Spring Lake for as long as necessary, and his office set up a mobile command post at the Spring Lake Library.

Spring Lake Police Chief A.C. Brown couldn't be reached for comment Tuesday morning. He and other officers were at work – some were seen driving around town in their patrol cars – although it was unclear what law enforcement authority they held.

Mayor Ethel Clark said she supports Brown and has no plans to seek his resignation.

Still, lifelong Spring Lake resident Natasha Lyle said the police department is an embarrassment, and it's time for new blood.

"What is the world coming to?" Lyle said. "They need to take care of it. They need to nip it in the bud."

Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis requested the SBI investigation, saying a conversation between a Spring Lake officer and a county deputy about narcotics enforcement raised concerns about the police department's ability to investigate crimes.

At Grannis' urging, a judge two years ago stripped Spring Lake of the authority to handle felony investigations, following a botched homicide investigation involving a 3-year-old. Those cases were put in the hands of sheriff's investigators.

Grannis has dismissed all pending misdemeanor cases in Spring Lake, saying the he suspects senior officers of lying and directing other officers to fabricate facts in police reports.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5084899/

In a related story, Town leaders defend Spring Lake police department, (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5066467/) blaming the problems on 'severe budget shortfalls' . lol

Apparantly the ongoing problems have been so severe, a sting was successfully set up catching two of the crooked cops and more arrests are expected in the case.

ncboman

[ncboman]

http://wwwcache.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/05/04/5080486/springlake2-400x300.jpg

the two indicted cops in the crooked Spring Lake Police Dept.

ncboman

[Bayrat]

Sabre


Same here Bayrat. My wife leaves her keys are in her car all of the time. Lot's of people leave their car running while they go into the store {including yours truly} and many don't lock their house doors. Whereabouts in NY are you at ?

Yeah, hard to believe it's NY State by the way some out-of-state'ers think it is here. Amazes me how folks who've never been here know so much about it !We let those types keep thinking that way too, so's the place doesn't get cluttered up them !

Maybe if we stick empty wallets up on poles at the boarder with big signs that say, "BEYOUND THIS POINT BE MUGGERS!!!! It'll keep even more of them out. :D

I'm in the State's ten ring - half way between Utica and Binghamton.

Bayrat.

[Bill Gunn]

Home invasion here is more likely from the furry four footed types.
Bayrat.

Funny You should say that...

Here's 2 of the last 4 "Home Invaders" I've caught in the last 3 weeks...

This one just this morning, he's still in the trap in the barn waiting for his 5 mile truck ride (let him bother someone else :) )

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2250/777751/1363903/363536217.jpg


http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2250/777751/1363903/361829588.jpg


Here's me teaching my 2 1/2 year old grandson how to drive a tractor, so later he can do a "DRIVE BY" on a vegetable garden, not a neighbors kid...

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2250/777751/1363903/363536214.jpg

[Bayrat]

Bill.
Way to go grampa !! Teach them right at an early age.


5 miles? Around this area it's more likely to only make it to the nearest crockpot.:D


Bayrat.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Several years ago when the "wannabe" gangs were in their infancy over in Victoria a kid did a "Bicycle By" on another Wannabe's house. They chased him down on foot and beat him up, took his gun away from him (he didn't have any more bullets) and broke his bicycle. A little while later he did a "Run By" with a fake gun and got beat up again. No one really took them very seriously then. Then the "Real" gangstas started moving in. Now they kill each other with some regularity, not as much as San Antonio but enough to keep the homicide guys in Victoria busy. If they were just killing each other that would be fine but somebody's mother or 2 yr. old baby always gets in the way.

I frequent the pawn shops in the area and periodically I'll see someone I know in there with their wife or current girlfriend and "She" is looking at pistols on display. I always go over and say hello and ask what they are doing. They are always polite but always leave right after that.

Herein lies the problem with crooks and guns. Crimes committed with or while in possession of a firearm should be punished with the most severe jail time possible. That is how you stop the problem. As far as crooked cops, well the same holds for them too. Swift and Severe.

Gotta go to work.

Alan

[Bill Gunn]

Bayrat

:D To damn greasy, 'possum's more better :p :p


Parallel parkin'

[GMWW]

The missus and I were discussing what kind of home we would build if we moved into the country side. Yes, there are home invasions there too. One of the things I suggested was to build a home like the ones in the past. A porch front and back door leading into the enclosed porch. Then the secured front and back door. They don't make homes like this anymore.

That way when bad guy busts the first porch door, we will have a little bit of time to greet him at the next door with the appropriate reception.

[ncboman]

The missus and I were discussing what kind of home we would build if we moved into the country side. Yes, there are home invasions there too. One of the things I suggested was to build a home like the ones in the past. A porch front and back door leading into the enclosed porch. Then the secured front and back door. They don't make homes like this anymore.

That way when bad guy busts the first porch door, we will have a little bit of time to greet him at the next door with the appropriate reception.

That's one of the best design plans.

... along with one of these;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v50/ncboman/Dogs%20n%20chickens/OnGuard.jpg

NO ONE gets on our back porch or even in the yard without us knowing about it. ;)

Of course if it's the cops doin the robbing, we're pretty much helpless.

ncboman

[Altjaeger]

Bill.
Way to go grampa !! Teach them right at an early age.


5 miles? Around this area it's more likely to only make it to the nearest crockpot.:D


Bayrat.

It has been years but as I recall a coon shot in the corn field is pretty good parboiled and grilled with BBQ sauce.

[Bayrat]

Alt,
I wouldn't know, never tried it. But there are some around here who talk of eating 'em as if they were the best thing there is. :confused:

The girl friend said that whatever I shot, she'd be willing to try cooking. I may just take her up on that.

Bayrat.

[dave-t.]

Coon made into loose meat bbq is delicious. I haven't made it myself or had it very often, but I do recall having seconds on at least two occasions.

[Bill Gunn]

Years ago we tried a young one. I couldn't believe the fat on that sucker, like skinnin' out a can of Crisco.
My wife got a recipe from somewhere. It was very, very terrible (we couldn't eat it). I figured it was the recipe, not the coon.
I'd try it BBQed.

Hell, I'd eat my old socks BBQed :D

[Sabre]

I tried coon once. Never again ! A more foul tasting varmint doesn't exist :eek:

[dave-t.]

I agree with the fat. I'd bet they pack a higher fat % than a hog. That is from skinning a few coon, and no hogs though, but I can't see how an animal would be able to carry more fat on a carcass, or a hide for that matter. :confused:

Scraping coon hides is the worst.

[Badger]

Herne,

A few years ago in a large U.S. city some bad guys highjacked a USPS mail jeep, seized the letter carrier's uniform (the Posties clad, eh, wot?), one BG dressed in the "Posties" unform and then drove up to a person's home and rang the door bell. The homeowner was an expatriot fellow seeking asylum in the U.S. He opened the front door and the "Postie" shot the homeowner and fled.

The moral of the story is a person who appears to be a "Postie" may be a hit man. One does not need to be paranoid, but due diligence is called for in this day and time. Why did you have a .45 ACP rather than rely on your effective gun control laws?

Badger

[Sabre]

Bayrat, Sounds like there and here is pretty much the same place. You can't be too far from me. Binghamton is about 45 minutes from here and Utica is an hour. From your description I'm thinking you must be in Chenango county ?

[Bayrat]

Sabre,

And you be correct ! :D

Bayrat.

[Sabre]

Bayrat, Well howdy neighbor :D I'm out in no mans land between the village's of Guilford, Oxford, Bainbridge and Coventry, right next to the Basswood and Wiley brook state forrest's. Know where they are ?

[Bayrat]

Well howdy to you !

Yup, I know generally where it is, but haven't been to those state lands yet. We use the ones up here at the northern end of the county. Sherburne (me), Norwich and Plymouth areas. The farthest south we've camped is Bowman Lake, but that's still a ways NW of you.

For a few years I did trap shooting just north of you at the Rockdale and Oxford gun clubs, and a yearly private trap tournament on Furnace Hill Rd.

Bayrat.

[Sabre]

Well shoot, I've known you were from NY for quite a spell but I didn't know we were right in the same county. I used to work in Norwich and dated a girl from Sherburne many moons ago.;) Still go to Norwich a couple times a month to do my grocery shopping. Took my trapper training course at Rockdale rod & gun club and have done some shooting there too. My brother is a member and it's only a 15 minute drive from here if you know which back roads to take.

[Bayrat]

Ha, I tell ya, this county is getting smaller every year :D

Before I joined the Norwich club, I took my oldest and a couple of neighborhood kids down your way to the Bainbridge gun club for their hunter safety courses.


Still go to Norwich a couple times a month to do my grocery shopping.

If you were there Monday morning you'd have seen me doing the same! :D

Bayrat.

[Sabre]

I've sent alot of lead airborne at the Bainbridge club myself and also taken alot of deer out of the woods right behind it. Do you remember Farrell's gunshop right outside Norwich ? Bought an awful lot of guns and did alot of shooting there. Still miss that place and arguing with old Art to this day !:(

[Bayrat]

Oh yeah, I remember Art's place well. That's where I got all my reloading supplies before he went in the home.

The place was quite an adventure.

Like when I needed powder, having to step carefully in the back room walking through 1/2 deep of spilled powder everywhere. :eek:

And coming in from the bright sunlight to that dark place and hope I didn't trip over that big smelly dog of his which was usually laying in the way, camoed because it was covered in dirt the same as the floor.

And I remember having to pick through the pile to see which bags of shot smelled because the dog had pee'd on them!:D

Then there was the challange of digging through the mess in that unlit tractor trailer to find the wads I needed.

Who could forget ?

But the prices were good ... and I did learn alot about shooting from him during those many arguments !

Bayrat.

[Herne]

Herne,

A few years ago in a large U.S. city some bad guys highjacked a USPS mail jeep, seized the letter carrier's uniform (the Posties clad, eh, wot?), one BG dressed in the "Posties" unform and then drove up to a person's home and rang the door bell. The homeowner was an expatriot fellow seeking asylum in the U.S. He opened the front door and the "Postie" shot the homeowner and fled.

The moral of the story is a person who appears to be a "Postie" may be a hit man. One does not need to be paranoid, but due diligence is called for in this day and time. Why did you have a .45 ACP rather than rely on your effective gun control laws?

Badger

There is a difference between a general level of crime, and a specific threat posted by a terrorist group who have targeted and did kill members of a specific group.

2 questions.

Do you feel threatened by the general level of crime where you live. Probably not to any real degree.

Would you feel threatened if you were warned formally by amongst others the police and certain intelligence people, that a group of 4 men had moved in from a foreign country into your area with the express aim of killing people called Badger and only Badger, and that they had actually shot and killed one already. Yes you just might take it seriously? (As I recall they killed 3 military in the northeast of England before being caught.)

As for the pistol, the 45 was my own series 70 Colt. If I hadn't had that I guess I would have drawn a service Browning hi-power.

[Altjaeger]

Herne your story reminds me of when I first got serious keeping a house gun. I was living on the economy in Germany about 20 miles from post. The farm community was so small there was no traffic light or polizei. The day the bombing began in preparation for Desert Storm I got the pistol out, loaded and left the chamber empty. The bolt had been slid back and released so little strength was needed to wrack a round in. I don't know how much play it got in the States but Sadam had made a lot of noise about turning terrorist loose on American soldiers and their families in Europe.

After the war I began storing it in easy reach from my side of the bed loaded magazine out, but next to the pistol ready to go.

[Herne]

Yes - a specific threat like that, I can agree to a response, but I'd hate to have a concern such that it made me keep a weapon against normal everyday living.

The problem with such a response is what do you actually do? At your house, they only have limited avenues of approach, and in general they are after the man and are excluding and will identify wife and kids.

In you car all that has been done, and if you are working, then of necessity your route will be regular even if you try to make it not - there being a limit. Also you are probably on your own, and it is difficult to drive to escape and shoot. In any case the IRA at least had that worked out, and their standard tactic was for car ambushes, to fire most of a magazine from an AR15 through the windscreen from the front at some suitable point where you had to slow down or nearly stop. It may or may not kill you, but it would certainly stop you. Then they would walk up and shoot the driver in the head with a pistol at touching range. Once they were after you like that, they were pretty ruthless - it wasn't a one round and scoot affair. They would kill you, period.

Down on the border areas on patrol in an unmarked civilian car it was different. We always went 2 to a car. If you met an illegal roadblock, you weren't doing to drive out of it without surprise on your side. The idea was that the passenger would put the muzzle of his gun against the drivers door, and when our PIRA hero arrived to check the driver, you let him have the magazine on full auto in the tripes through the door. The driver, who had been keeping the car in gear at a good tickover, would floor it an you went. Fortunately I never had to test to see if the idea would work, but it seemed like the best chance you had.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

The situation both of you are talking about is, as you've stated, completely different from normal, everyday life. There is a paranoia that IS sweeping our country and probably the world and it's being fueled by both those who do indeed, want to "Change" our way of life and those who go to the Psychological extremes to protect themselves against them and of course the Stock-and-trade bad guys. In the situations Herne describes, measures to protect yourself are a crapshoot because the bad thing is going to happen really fast and at a time when you are least prepared. I suppose the best way to get to those types is to allow for those situations to occur and draw the bad guys out into the open. Seems like an awful though way to track someone down but it may keep your family out of it. I really don't know or have any idea about such things.

As far as just your regular bad "guy home invaders" go. The reason they do these things are two fold, in my opinion. #1- It works, because most people are not packing heat while they watch "Dancing with the Stars" in the evenings. Old Folks can't move very quick to get the gun out of the sock drawer, load it, find their glasses, and sort out the bad guys while they wait patiently. #2- whoever the local law enforcement, DA, and courts are - They haven't sent the right kind of message to the "bad guy community" that such things aren't going to be tolerated.

I am not going to be a prisoner in my own home. I am not going to live in fear every time I hear the UPS truck bakes squeal or the neighbor's kid knocks on the door selling Girl Scout Cookies, and if, Heaven Forbid, I get a home invasion (which isn't very likely. I have a much better chance of getting my ass chewed by that curly headed woman I live with) I guess they better start shooting right away because my laptop is probably going to get broken and that is going to piss me off.

Alan

[Altjaeger]

I am not going to be a prisoner in my own home. I am not going to live in fear every time I hear the UPS truck bakes squeal or the neighbor's kid knocks on the door selling Girl Scout Cookies, and if, Heaven Forbid, I get a home invasion (which isn't very likely. I have a much better chance of getting my ass chewed by that curly headed woman I live with) I guess they better start shooting right away because my laptop is probably going to get broken and that is going to piss me off.

Alan

That about sums it up if you are going to live life with any balance and stability.

[Dennis Keith]

Well Herne! Good to see you're still walking and talking! You still chasing "Bambi" with a 6.5X55? Been too long since you were around, don't make a stranger of yourself, regardless of these "newcommers" opinions not all of us consider EVERY idea of the Brits completely lame, just something to be improved upon, like TEA, it's far better ICED with SUGAR and a sprig of mint and a bit of lemon or lime in a tall glass rather than hot in a cup with milk.:eek:
(that ought to light a fire to this thread!):D

[Herne]

Hi Dennis - glad to see you are still murdering good tea. Mostly its a crime, but I can forgive you, since its you. (just)

And whiskey is drunk with water and no ice.

All the best.

[ncboman]

Spring Lake police chief resigns; SBI seizes records

Spring Lake, N.C. — Spring Lake Police Chief A.C. Brown resigned Wednesday evening after witnesses reported seeing him and an officer shredding files, according to Spring Lake Alderman Napoleon Hogans.

Superior Court Judge E. Lynn Johnson on Wednesday ordered the State Bureau of Investigation to take control of all police files, including computer and cell phone records.

The order cited a report that Brown was seen shredding documents in the department until 2:30 a.m. Wednesday and that a Cumberland County deputy saw police Sgt. Mark Thomas shredding files on Tuesday.

Brown became chief in 2004 and had been with the department since the 1990s.

The Cumberland County Sheriff's Office assumed control of law enforcement in Spring Lake on Monday, following the arrests of two officers on a variety of charges. Four deputies patrol the town on each shift, and a mobile command post has been set up at the Spring Lake Library.

Earlier Wednesday, Sheriff Earl "Moose" Butler warned the Spring Lake Police Department not to interfere with law enforcement efforts in the town.

Because more than 20 officers in the police department remain on the job, Butler sent Brown a letter, before he resigned, outlining how he plans to enforce the law in Spring Lake. It doesn't include help from police officers in town.

"Members of the Spring Lake Police Department shall not be allowed to participate in any criminal investigation conducted by the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office," Butler wrote in the letter. "The Cumberland County Sheriff's Office shall not adopt or accept any future criminal investigations initiated or conducted by the Spring Lake Police Department until further written notice."

Sgt. Darryl Eugene Coulter Sr. and Sgt. Alphonzo Devonne Whittington Jr. were arrested Monday. Coulter was being held Wednesday at Central Prison in Raleigh, and Whittington has been released on a $100,000 bond.

Indictments allege that Coulter participated in an April 2008 home invasion in which three men were held at gunpoint and that he asked subordinate officers to falsify a report about a September raid on a motel room in which $29,000 was seized. Whittington was accused of stealing that money from the police department's evidence room and trying to cover it up.

Cumberland County District Attorney Ed Grannis asked the SBI to look into the Spring Lake Police Department two years ago, saying he had concerns about the department's ability to investigate crimes.

At Grannis' urging, a judge two years ago stripped Spring Lake of the authority to handle felony investigations, following a botched homicide investigation involving a 3-year-old. Those cases were put in the hands of sheriff's investigators.

Grannis has dismissed all pending misdemeanor cases in Spring Lake, saying that he suspects senior officers of lying and directing other officers to fabricate facts in police reports.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5095804/


Sheriff's May 6 letter to police chief
(http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/05/06/5096036/letter.swf)

ncboman

[Altjaeger]

EVERY idea of the Brits completely lame, just something to be improved upon, like TEA, it's far better ICED with SUGAR and a sprig of mint and a bit of lemon or lime in a tall glass rather than hot in a cup with milk.:eek:
(that ought to light a fire to this thread!):D


I am afraid two things will lead to the collapse of the British Empire. First is that besides the fact they do not know how to prepare tea is the lack of recognition of the proper time of day to drink it. That should be from mid-morning onward through the day.

The other is that the Brits stubbornly refuse to give proper repect and reverence to the only true and righteous breakfast drink. That would of course be coffee; arabica bean, dark roast, strong, served pure and hot without the contaminants of sugar or cream.

I am sure these weaknesses will be properly noted in history. :p

[Herne]

The only coffee I drink is donkey dust instant. It may not be great, but it suits me, and I can get a lot, quickly.

Convenient caffeine, and I don't drink tea, so the Empire (what little is left of it) is safe.

[Altjaeger]

I don't drink tea, so the Empire (what little is left of it) is safe.

LOL, thats as bad as my German wife who likes neither sourkraut or beer, but instead prefers cooking oriental. God help me in my selection of friends and women.!!!:D

[Bill Gunn]

Country life and attitudes are certainly different than city life.
Kinda more straight to the point, and no PC, or BS (Well, maybe a lot more BS).

Here's a good example...
Carnation ran a contest many years ago for a new slogan for Carnation canned milk.
A farmers wife (who would know best ??) submitted the following, they couldn't use it of course (pc, ya know), but it got an honorable mention because it's straight forward and honest...

[Bayrat]

:D:D:D
I like the way she thinks !!!!

Bayrat

[Dennis Keith]

Well at least we agree on the Whiskey