Geographical significance?

[ncboman]

Was Jesus born in the exact same spot where Adam was created?

ncboman

[Rich]

The spot where Adam was created was destroyed; along with the rest of the world.

[ncboman]

:confused:

Hiroshima was destroyed also, yet the place is still there.

web page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtSt5XZ7fq4&NR=1)

ncboman

[Rich]

If you had a garden and a huge flood destroyed it, is it still there?

[Waidmann]

If you had a garden and a huge flood destroyed it, is it still there?

The spot is. Which, after all, is what ncboman asked. He didn't ask if Jesus was born in the Garden of Eden, right?

[ncboman]

Rich,

The exact location would still exist, so the question is valid.

I'm surprised you do not know.

ncboman

[Rich]

ncboman,

As far as we know the Garden of Eden is covered by a mile of sedimentary rock.

Do you have an idea where it is? Do you think Jesus was born at the same co-ordinance?

[Waidmann]

I'll offer a serious answer to this one, although I hasten to add that this is speulation on my part.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem. We are pretty sure we know where that is. Just a stone's throw from Jerusalem.

We have no idea where Adam was created. None. Even if we knew for certainty where the Garden of Eden was, which we don't, there is still no guarentee that is anywhere near where Adam was created. The Scriptures say: "Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed". It doesn't say God created Adam in the Garden, in fact, it strongly suggests that he wasn't created in the Garden. He could have been created in what later became downtown Detroit, Michigan for all we know.

It seems to me, if we want to speculate about where Adam was created, since the Scriptures are totally silent about it, we need to have a good reason for suspecting one place over another. I have read commentaries that suggest that Salem, who Melchizedek was the king of, was located at the site of what later became Jerusalem. Also, I've read that the Mountain where Abraham sacrificed Issac, was also one of the hills of Jerusalem. If these are true, then there is perhaps something significant in God's eyes about the terrain there. It's the City of David, site of the Old Covenant Temple. Etc.

So, maybe Adam was created there. And then moved over to the fertile crescent area, which is the usual location identified for the Garden of Eden. Who knows?

Ncboman, what's your take? Why do you ask?

Waidmann

[ncboman]

Great answer Waid,


Ncboman, what's your take? Why do you ask?


testing the depth of Rich's understanding since he doesn't know what the great lie is.

ncboman

[ncboman]

:)


It seems to me, if we want to speculate about where Adam was created, since the Scriptures are totally silent about it, we need to have a good reason for suspecting one place over another. I have read commentaries that suggest that Salem, who Melchizedek was the king of, was located at the site of what later became Jerusalem. Also, I've read that the Mountain where Abraham sacrificed Issac, was also one of the hills of Jerusalem. If these are true, then there is perhaps something significant in God's eyes about the terrain there. It's the City of David, site of the Old Covenant Temple. Etc.


I believe times and places are very important for us in developing an understanding of what has happened. This creates some speculation as to what may happen ... and where.

Of course this leads directly to where we see things somewhat differently. :D

regarding Adam, we know he was created from the dust of the earth so one would assume he was assembled closeby, but it may have been in a spaceship for all we really know.

I take wonder in the times and locations told of in the Bible and it doesn't take much imagination to see the cylintrical nature of some events. ... often it seems, going back to point A in time... exactly. The places and points of reference are more difficult to correspond but it does seem God has given us enough to gain perhaps some understanding. He even tells us 'how' to gain understanding.

ncboman

[Rich]

ncboman,

Only recently have I given any thought to geography of events. I started trying to track the trip from Egypt to the Promised Land; and a few other events.

I liked Waidmann's post, also. But then, I normally do like his stuff.

I'm sorry to let you down with my opinion about what the big lie is.

If you wouild, please let me know what you think the big lie is. Also, if you don't mind, tell me why it is the big lie.

[Waidmann]

The Big Lie: I'm from the Government--I'm here to help you.

They don't get any bigger than that. :)

Waidmann

[Waidmann]

ncboman,

I'd be interested in where we see things somewhat differently. I suspect that we all see things somewhat differently.

I believe that life is about the journey from birth to death. That's what matters, and I enjoy talking with people about their particular journey. I love getting together with friends from long ago and asking them "Are you still walking with the Lord? How does it look today?" I'm pleased to say that just about all my friends from those long ago days are still professing Christians, but, like me, most of them have...I don't know the word...grown into something other than what we were. Some are still Baptist Christians, some are not. I personally am not a Baptist any more. But I'm satisfied where I am at the moment. Mostly. :) If I thought there was interest, I'd suggest that it might be interesting for the various posters here to give a brief recap of their spiritual journey.

Changing the subject: I had the opportunity to spend 14 days in Israel a number of years ago. If you haven't been there, I'd suggest you do all you can to go. I think it would be a very rich experience for you. It brings life to times and locations described in the Scriptures.

Waidmann