Our Police State

[ncboman]

Attorney: Kick to Suspect's Head a Justified 'Distraction Blow'

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"Unfortunately these things never look good on video. Sometimes officers have to use force when dealing with bad guys," Dammeier said. "The officer initially came upon the suspect alone. The suspect hadn't been searched and was a parolee and a gang member. The individual officer saw some movement. He feared the parolee might have a weapon or be about to get up. So the officer did what is known as a distraction blow. It wasn’t designed to hurt the man, just distract him."



El Monte officers "are trained to deliver a distraction blow to stop a [suspect] doing what they planning on doing," he said.

web page (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520379,00.html)

Dangerous ground here.

If this isn't stopped cold, more and more police officers as well as citizens will lose their lives.

If a bad guy can't give up without getting his ass kicked by an armed policeman, the options aren't pretty.

ncboman

[Badger]

ncbowman,

I was stunned to watch that video on Fox. If you watch the next 10 seconds, you will see officer #2 bashing the right ribs of the guy on the ground. I am sure both those cops ROUTINELY bash alleged violators, BUT this time they are on camera. Gottcha!

Badger

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

What's wrong with a distraction blow? My dad used to give me those all the time! I'd get distracted and WHAM! Out nowhere would come the distraction blow right on the back of my head. By the time I was 14 I developed a strong aversion to distractions. My wife swears it just caused brain damage though.

I don't like the idea of the cops "Knocking Heads" just for the heck of it, but, if some little gang manger made me chase him through traffic, jump fences and then give up I think I might give him a whack or two.

Alan


Alan

[Bill Gunn]

If a bad guy can't give up without getting his ass kicked by an armed policeman, the options aren't pretty.
ncboman

I'm all on the cop's side, but I also have to agree with NC.

Is the next cop that tries to stop that guy (and you can bet there'll be a "next Time") going to pay for that "Distraction" with his life :( ?

[Sabre]

I've had cops get downright nasty with me {even threatening} when pulled over for a simple traffic infraction. If I think he's going to get physically abusive when there's no call for it, you can bet he's going to have a fight on his hands and it'll be a damned good one.

[Bushman]

Honestly I am kind of surprised that more officers don't go hostile. These guys are out there on the low end of the pay scale, putting their life on the line, dealing with the lowest element of society on a regular basis, being lied to lots of the time, seeing things that most people wouldn't want to. How could you help from becoming cynical? How many of us would come off 100% perfect doing our jobs with a news helicopter recording our every move?

Sabre, your police must be different than our police. Not that I get pulled over all that often, but being civil is usually returned in kind. Being decent might get you off with a warning, being abusive is a guarantee for a fine.

[Altjaeger]

Sabre, your police must be different than our police. Not that I get pulled over all that often, but being civil is usually returned in kind. Being decent might get you off with a warning, being abusive is a guarantee for a fine.

Over the last 30 years I have probably been stopped about 15 times in AR, AZ, LA, AL and TX. Being polite and respectful has result in more warnings than speeding tickets though all stops could justifiably resulted in tickets except one.

That was the one were I did run across a snotty small town cop in Montgomery, LA. I was accused of doing 60 in a 30 and provided the options of 1) leaving my license as bond. 2) sitting in jail 2 weeks until the Justice of the Peace could see me or 3) pay the fine of the spot in cash with no receipt. That was 1979 and I had orders to depart for Europe shortly and was simply passing through the state.
I am sure you can guess that the cop was happy to lead me to a store that would cash travelers checks.

Politeness is usually met with politeness everywhere.

[Sabre]

Honestly I am kind of surprised that more officers don't go hostile. These guys are out there on the low end of the pay scale, putting their life on the line, dealing with the lowest element of society on a regular basis, being lied to lots of the time, seeing things that most people wouldn't want to. How could you help from becoming cynical? How many of us would come off 100% perfect doing our jobs with a news helicopter recording our every move?

Sabre, your police must be different than our police. Not that I get pulled over all that often, but being civil is usually returned in kind. Being decent might get you off with a warning, being abusive is a guarantee for a fine.

That particular cop was brought up on charges and fired shortly after my encounter with him. Seems he liked to pull his gun and threaten people with it for entertainment. Finally did it to the wrong person {city slicker with money and a good lawyer} and got pinched.:rolleyes: He backed off on me before it got that far because I had witnesses about. And puleeeezzze don't give me that crap about being out there "on the low end of the pay scale". State troopers here in NY start at 72,000 per year. The local townies start out at 32,0000. This in an area where the average annual personal income runs about 28,000 and first year shool teachers with a masters in education start at 34,000. My brother has been teaching 10th grade social studies here at the local high school for 11 years now and makes 48,000. 24,000 less than a first year state trooper. Being a cop is not that dangerous, particularly here in rural America and there are plenty of jobs out there that are more dangerous and pay considerably less.

[500grains]

Things are looking bad and we are not even 4 months into 4 dreadful years of Obungle.

[ncboman]

Jury clears police in Taser death case

NASHVILLE, May 20 (UPI) -- Police officers who used a Taser on a 21-year-old man in Nashville allegedly resisting arrest were not responsible for the man's death, a federal jury says.

Attorney Joseph Bednarz Sr. said while the jury may have cleared police in the 2005 death of Patrick Lee, the man's parents remain convinced the Taser strikes were the cause of the man's death, The (Nashville) Tennessean reported Wednesday.

"We don't have an answer to why he died," said Bednarz, the attorney for Lee's parents, Bud Lee and Cindy Lundman. "It's still our contention that it was the strikes of the Taser and restraint procedures."

Police allege Lee was under the influence of LSD when he resisted arrest outside a Nashville nightclub in 2005. In addition to using pepper spray and batons to restrain Lee, police officers allegedly used a Taser on the man up to 19 times.

Lee died two days after the incident as a result of what the medical examiner termed excited delirium, the Tennessean said.

Bednarz said his clients will consider appealing the jury's verdict regarding the actions of police officers Jason Creagan, Jonathan Mays and Jaime Scruggs.

web page (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/05/20/Jury-clears-police-in-Taser-death-case/UPI-69461242843016/)

ncboman

[ncboman]

Fla. man shot with Taser stun gun dies

Officers in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., had good reason to shoot a man with a Taser stun gun, even though he died in a hospital hours later, a police spokesman said.

The man, identified as John Meier Jr., 48, of Parkland, Fla., had been running in and out of traffic wearing only a pair of shorts, Broward County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Leljedal said.

When Meier violently resisted arrest, a sheriff's deputy pressed the electroshock device directly to Meier's body, Leljedal said. The gun sent an electrical current into Meier that manufacturer Taser International Inc. (NASDAQ:TASR) calls "neuromuscular incapacitation."

Leljedal told The Miami Herald he could not say how many times or how long Meier was Tased.

Meier was pronounced dead at 1 a.m. Wednesday.

A Broward County Medical Examiner's Office investigator would not discuss Meier's autopsy, the Herald said.

Cocaine toxicity or "excited delirium" appears to have caused his death, although toxicology tests have not been finalized, Leljedal said.

Excited delirium is a term critics decry as a "dubious disorder" to mask what they consider police brutality or to explain deaths of people in police custody.

Leljedal told the newspaper the deputy was justified in using the stun gun.

"One deputy tried to get him out of traffic and off the road, but he fought him," Leljedal said. "At that point, he had to find some sort of tool to manage him, and the most appropriate tool was the Taser."

web page (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/02/Fla-man-shot-with-Taser-stun-gun-dies/UPI-76911238707830/)

ncboman

[ncboman]

Police review stun gun use on minors

The use of stun guns to subdue violent school children is under review in one California city after police used a device on an autistic boy, officials said.

Hawthorne, Calif., police are reviewing the incident to determine whether an officer followed agency policy in using his stun gun on a violent 12-year-old boy with autism, the Los Angeles Times reported Monday. Police officials said the investigation was begun after the boy's parents filed a complaint in the September incident. The boy wasn't hurt.

The Hawthorne Police Department's policy says officers "may consider other options" before using stun guns on juveniles but doesn't limit their use on children.

School officials called police after the youth allegedly assaulted a counselor and continued his violent behavior, officials said. Efforts to calm the boy were ineffective and the officer fired the stun gun as the boy ran toward the school's exit and an area wither other students were in a physical education class, the Times said.

"The police did what they thought they needed to do," said Donald Carrington, Hawthorne Unified School District superintendent, declining further comment.

Proponents say stun guns let officers safely detain violent students without using batons or other physical force. Opponents counter that, besides the lack of research on the medical effects of stunning a child, using stun guns on minors is inappropriate.

web page (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/02/Police-review-stun-gun-use-on-minors/UPI-57311236001067/)

[ncboman]

Mentally ill man dies after being shocked

A mentally ill man who died after being shocked by a Taser stun gun fired by Fort Worth, Texas, police was a victim of excessive force, his mother says.

Michael Jacobs Jr., 24, died Saturday after police were called to the man's home by his parents who said Jacobs was causing problems, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.

Police said he was uncooperative, and was stunned with a Taser device. After being handcuffed, Jacobs had difficulty breathing and was taken to a hospital where he was pronounced dead. Family members told the newspaper officers used excessive force to subdue Jacobs, who suffered from schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

Charlotte Jacobs, Michael's mother, reportedly said her son was writhing and foaming at the mouth while he was being stunned, asserting she pleaded with officers to stop.

The newspaper said police were investigating the incident and were awaiting a report from the Tarrant County medical examiner's office on what caused Jacobs' death.

web page (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/04/19/Mentally-ill-man-dies-after-being-shocked/UPI-53501240182951/)

ncboman

[GF.]

There was a guy in NYC... Some kind of psychiatric patient... He was standding on top of one of those roll-up metal doors that they use in the city to close off a storefront. Bare-ass nekkid. Ranting and raving about something only he understood, but nowhere near anybody else and certainly not in a position to hurt anyone but himself.

Anyway, the cops tased him and he fell down, cracked his head and died from the injuries.

This guy was a threat to nobody and nothin'; just a poor SOB who'd gone off his meds and had an 'episode', but the cops wouldn't even wait for the fire department or some EMTs to show up with a landing pad for him. And what did they think was gonna happen?

I know cops have a potentially crappy job. It has to be stressful, but then so are a lot of jobs in which a person has a responsibility to be professional about it and to put the needs & safety of others above their own. And a lot of those jobs pay a lot worse, and are a lot more demanding than rolling around town in a cruiser all day and fending off jokes about donut breaks.

Seems to me that police departments are behaving as if these things are just some kind of extra-strength tear gas or something, and they're going to have to come to grips with the fact that a taser can be reasonably expected to cause the death of the person against whom it is being used some certain % of the time.

If they can't get their arms around that, the lawsuits are going to just keep on rolling in, and rightly so....

[Twanger]

My $0.02 (disclaimer, I've got 3 police officers in the family)

If somebody starts a fight with the police, I have no problem with the police using their judgment as to when enough is enough. Video clips of the end of the fight are pretty irrelevant. After the fists start flying I'm all for them stomping the perp into the mud until you can't tell where mud ends and perp begins.

Anybody comes at my daughter (a cop) with mal-intent will get a clip emptied into them, and at 110lb, no jury would ever convict her.

My further $0.02 is that if a cop is 'after you' you simply lay face down where your hands can be seen. If he kicks the hell out of you then it's really waaaaaay too bad, but like the case above the cop probably has a pattern and he will get his in the end... sooner or later. Don't get yourself killed in the short term while waiting for sure justice to be served the long term.

[LampLighter]

That particular cop was brought up on charges and fired shortly after my encounter with him. Seems he liked to pull his gun and threaten people with it for entertainment. Finally did it to the wrong person {city slicker with money and a good lawyer} and got pinched.:rolleyes: He backed off on me before it got that far because I had witnesses about. And puleeeezzze don't give me that crap about being out there "on the low end of the pay scale". State troopers here in NY start at 72,000 per year. The local townies start out at 32,0000. This in an area where the average annual personal income runs about 28,000 and first year shool teachers with a masters in education start at 34,000. My brother has been teaching 10th grade social studies here at the local high school for 11 years now and makes 48,000. 24,000 less than a first year state trooper. Being a cop is not that dangerous, particularly here in rural America and there are plenty of jobs out there that are more dangerous and pay considerably less.


My 10 years and 2 months of service says everything above is 100% correct, except for town specific salaries. I cannot possibly know that, but low end pay in general- I think not. We were payed very well.

[ncboman]

Late Thursday, Officer Omar J. Edwards, 25, was shot by a fellow officer on a Harlem street while in street clothes. He had just finished his shift, and had his service weapon out, chasing a man who had broken into his car, police said. Three plainclothes officers on routine patrol arrived at the scene and yelled for the two to stop, police said. One officer, Andrew Dunton, opened fire and hit Edwards three times as he turned toward them with his service weapon. It wasn't until medical workers were on scene that it was determined he was a police officer

web page (http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/46567822.html)

ncboman

[GF.]

Sounds like he lived?

That'd be welcome news....

Makes me wonder... do you suppose he's so used to being a cop that he forgot that the other guys didn't know who he was or which side he was on?

Seems like this type of shooting isn't all that uncommon... Sometimes the guy yells "Hey, I'm on the job', sometimes not. Either way, it's SNAFU'd.

On the one hand, who would (or should) know better than a cop how to respond to a cop, and on the other hand, I can see why they would be hard pressed to come out of 'make the arrest' mode and dial it back to 'I am a guy with a gun who is being arrested'. Especialy if they thought the bad guy might be in a good position to either start shooting or just get outta Dodge....

[LampLighter]

That was the original purpose of the black horizontal bar with the blue stripe through the middle. It was a way for off duty cops to communicate to other cops. Now that the cat is out of the bag, every Tom, Dic, and Harry has this sticker above their license plate. Cops don't pay attention to it any more. It lost it's meaning because civilians got hold of it.

[GF.]

So if the guy is on foot, chasing down the guy who had broken into his car.... Exactly what good would it have done for him to have something on his license plate?:confused::confused:

[ncboman]

Video Released of
Grandma Being Tased


a real threat to society here folks.

web page (http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp/news/local/060809_Video_Released_of_Grandma_Being_Tased)

ncboman

[ncboman]

Happy New Year


OAKLAND — The commanding officer on the Fruitvale BART platform the night Oscar Grant III was shot in the back and killed by another officer said Wednesday the 22-year-old victim posed no threat to either him or others seconds before he was killed.



web page (http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_12512834)

ncboman

[GF.]

I have a funny feeling that the transit cop may have been looking for an excuse to tase that guy....but he didn't realize that he was holding the pistol and not the taser.

What's kind of odd is that he evidently hasn't used that 'mistake' as part of his defense. If he had tasered the guy without justification, it would still be brutality, but not murder, so (not knowing squat abot how the whole legal system works) it seems to me that he could claim to have grabbed the wrong weapon by accident, whch would allow him to plead Stupid and get the charges taken down to some kind of negligent/manslaughter level.

The Granny, though.... What a charmer she turned out to be....:rolleyes:


What's the cop supposed to do there? First she gives him a carload o' crap about how he's gonna have to arrest her, then she resists arrest.... What's he supposed to do? Mace? Sheer, overpowering physical force? Just let her go and send two nice lady officers to her house to arrest her when she's in a better mood? :confused:

[Wismon]

The Granny, though.... What a charmer she turned out to be....:rolleyes:


What's the cop supposed to do there? First she gives him a carload o' crap about how he's gonna have to arrest her, then she resists arrest.... What's he supposed to do? Mace? Sheer, overpowering physical force? Just let her go and send two nice lady officers to her house to arrest her when she's in a better mood? :confused:
What was he supposed to do? How about simply handcuffing her? She's a 72 year old woman; is the cop such a ninny that he needed a tazer to apprehend her? Does that mean he couldn't have wrestled her to the ground if he had needed to? If so he's unfit for the job. If he thought she had a weapon then he needs to come out and say so...and back it up with the videotape he took of the whole event. And let's be clear here: that tazer could very well have killed her. He used the tazer to teach her a lesson and to assert his dominance.

The bigger scandal, imo, is that, from what I saw on tv, the police chief doesn't think the patrolman did anything wrong. The chief's comment was to the effect that no one should ever argue with a policeman, ever. And while I would never do that I do take exception with his statement. Police are human, just like everyone else. His statement seems to suggest that he thinks they are infalliable.

[Sabre]

What was he supposed to do? How about simply handcuffing her? She's a 72 year old woman; is the cop such a ninny that he needed a tazer to apprehend her? Does that mean he couldn't have wrestled her to the ground if he had needed to?

Sure ain't no Wyatt Earp huh ? Phuckin' worthless pansy ! I've argued with cop's before and I will again if my rights are being violated. I'll cower to noone when I'm in the right.

[ncboman]

I'll cower to noone when I'm in the right.


Would you say the same if you were this cop in this situation?

btw, I would have let her go home. I learned long ago, sometimes winnin ain't worth the beatin it takes to win.

ncboman

[Sabre]

Would you say the same if you were this cop in this situation?

btw, I would have let her go home. I learned long ago, sometimes winnin ain't worth the beatin it takes to win.

ncboman

I wouldn't cower to her but I wouldn't have tasered an unarmed old lady either. I was raised with the certain knowledge that you DO NOT brutalize women.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I don't know who the bigger a$$ is the Deputy Constable or his boss. Your signature on a speeding ticket is not an admission of guilt, only a promise to appear on the date and at the time written on the ticket. I don't even think a person is required to sign a ticket. You still get it but you don't have to sign it. There are places that will send you a ticket from being filmed at an intersection and based on your license plate alone. You don't have to sign them.

The boss is backing his officer because either way he loses. He's going to lose the next election because his officer tazed an old lady and he's going to lose the next election because he's backing the Deputy. If he doesn't back the Deputy it means he's been allowing someone who he doesn't back 100% to run around with a gun and a tazer.

I don't buy any of the "He tazed her for her own good BS". What did the police do before they had tasers? They didn't just shoot people who were arguing with them, it's not a crime to argue with a cop. He had her by the arm once and she was compliant, it was only when he relaxed his grip that she jerked her arm away.

Granny was non-compliant, argumentative, disrespectful, and several other things. She didn't behave like my Grandmother would have, but I would hope that any "Peace Officer" would recognize that this was NOT a situation in which tasing was appropriate action. This officer, his department, and every indeed every LEO that stops someone who has seen this video has lost a lot of credibility with the public.

All my life I have had friends, some very good friends, who have worked in law enforcement. Tazeing an old lady would never have even been an option for them. I have known some real horses A$$es too. I cannot think of a single one (and that's saying a lot considering some of them) that would have done this. As sorry as some of them were, they still would not have done this.

Alan

[ncboman]

I was at a man's house on a call some years back and he wanted to show me his new bird dog puppy. He called and called but the dog wouldn't come to him, stopping short and looking.

Finally the man got his hands on the pup and promptly pulled his belt off and beat the living hell out of the pup for not coming when called.

Was a nice looking setter too. :(

ncboman

[GF.]

Did you catch the boss man's opening line in that interview?

"There is nobody that wanted this to happen any worse than Deputy Whatsisears"

I'm pretty sure that he meant 'any less', and not 'any worse'....:rolleyes:

(By the way - isn't that Rizzo? The mechanic from M*A*S*H? )

I don't know what the deputy's options really were... that's why I was asking what he's supposed to do... Are they allowed to let someone walk away after they've resisted the cop's first attempt to put them under arrest? :confused:

Yeah, the taser was pretty rough treatment, but if he had grabbed her, any bruises he left on her would have been 'proof' that he was rougher than he had to be in order to get the job done. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, isn't grappling with someone you're trying to arrest a pretty good way to get your gun taken away from you and get yourself shot?

Maybe she's a harmless old lady, maybe not. She was obnoxious enough to mouth off to him, quick enough to slap his hands away when he tried to get ahold of her, ornery enough to stand there and dare him to arrest her after she told him to do exactly that (and again after he told her she was gonna get tased if she didn't get herself together...

She evidently has no respect at all for the deputy or the job he's trying to do, so who's to say that she couldn't turn out to be a lot meaner and/or more motivated to get away than she looked. If an 88-year-old nut-case can walk into a museum and start shooting.....

:confused:

I think she did at one give him an opening to scale things down when she told him to give her the effin' ticket, but by then she had gone so far out of her way to piss him off that he evidently wasn't much in the mood to cut her any slack. That's when he had to grab her before she stepped out into traffic. She might have gotten the message at that point that he was done screwin' around, but she just kept upping the ante 'til he called her on it.

I look at it this way - if some younger, male, and/or minority-type individual had behaved in exactly the same fashion, there would be no question that the cop was well within his rights and well within procedural standards. She refused to comply with the standard procedure for getting a ticket, she cussed him out, slapped at him, pushed him out of her way, and then tried to walk away after she had been told that she was going to be placed under arrest. I'm pretty sure she even managed to knock the cuffs out of his hands when he first tried to put them on her.

So it is who you are, or is it what you do that determines how the police should treat you?

[ncboman]

Cop Runs Over Woman Sunbathing on Florida Beach

JACKSONVILLE BEACH, Fla. — A rookie police officer was suspended for seven days for running over a woman sunbathing on a north Florida beach.

An internal affairs investigation released Wednesday by the Jacksonville Beach Police Department concluded that Officer Lewis Keller was negligent and at fault for the May 1 accident.

Keller was making a U-turn in his sport utility vehicle when he rolled over 41-year-old Anne Marie Giffin of Jacksonville. Investigators said Keller and another man lifted the SUV off Giffin while other people pulled her out.

Giffin was treated for a broken pelvis and ribs, along with head and spinal injuries.

Keller told investigators he didn't see Giffin lying in the sand, but Chief Bruce Thomason concluded that Keller wasn't driving safely.

web page (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525806,00.html)

ncboman

[Wismon]

Sure ain't no Wyatt Earp huh ? Phuckin' worthless pansy ! I've argued with cop's before and I will again if my rights are being violated. I'll cower to noone when I'm in the right.
Yeah, he's a real piece of work. And just think: he's going to be known for a long time to come as the man who tasered a 72 year old woman.

As for arguing with cops when you're in the right, God bless you, buddy, you're a braver man than me. When they pull you over you're in their world. They effectively have absolute power over you and some of them really get their rocks off on that fact. They know that the judge will back them up on whatever they do. I just say "yes sir" and take my medicine lest they invent an additional infraction.

I had one cop outright lie to me. He had me sign that document Alan refered to and he said he had clocked me with stationary radar. There was nothing "stationary" about it; he was moving. But, to avoid getting an additonal infraction tacked on, or taken for a ride, or beaten with a nightstick...or tased, I signed.

The cops have a tough job and they do great work. Well, most of them do. Some of them let it go to their head and turn into unchallengable, infallible Gestapo.

[Sabre]

Wismon, "Dumber" man than you is probably closer to the truth than "braver":D but dammit there comes a point where I'd rather risk being tasered, beaten or even shot than give up that last little illusion of "free man" I have left.:(

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I did say something to a State Trooper once when he asked me an irrelevant question. He was writing me a "warning" for 5 mph over in a 60 mph zone. As he gives it to me he asks if I have a concealed carry permit. I looked at him funny, say No, and ask back, "Why do you ask? I know that if I had one I would be required to inform you of that fact when stopped." He says, "Oh, I just saw your NRA bumper sticker and thought you might have one." I said, "Well, I have a Texas State Trooper's Association sticker on the windshield but that doesn't mean I'm one of those either." He hemmed and hawed and havanicedayed back to his car and let me go on my way. He was the exception. By and large the Troopers I have known are gentlemen and there are several who I am proud to call "friend". There are the exceptions though and they usually don't last long in the department.

It is never improper to question a cop about why you were stopped and the circumstances concerning that stop. The "yes sir" treatment usually gets you on you way faster though.

Alan

[ncboman]

:D

You can't make this stuff up. (http://www.fox41.com/global/Category.asp?c=163829&clipId=3888170&topVideoCatNo=undefined&autoStart=true&activePane=info&LaunchPageAdTag=homepage&clipFormat=flv)

ncboman

[ncboman]

Man Under $2 Million Bond Walks Out Of Craven Co. Jail

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There's a manhunt underway for a man who walked out of the Craven County jail Wednesday.

Authorities are looking for Jonathan Staten. He was one of three people arrested after a large cocaine seizure.

After the 28-year-old Staten made a court appearance Wednesday, the sheriff says Staten made a deal with another inmate for that inmate's release papers in return for money.

Sheriff Jerry Monette says Staten then was processed out of the jail under the other inmate's identity.

The sheriff says during a count, jailers determined the numbers were off and the search for Staten began.

Depuites say Ricky Bryant is charged with facilitating a jail escape, while the jailer is suspended with pay pending the outcome of an administrative investigation.

Staten, of Vanceboro, was charged with two counts of trafficking cocaine, possession with the intent to sell and deliver cocaine and marijuana, felony possession of a Schedule I controlled substance, felony possession of cocaine, felony possession of marijuana.

web page (http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/50387667.html)

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

At least he didn't have a gun!!! Course he may not have had a place to keep it what with carrying around all that other stuff!

Alan

[ncboman]

Children Recant Sex-Abuse Tales After Father's 20-Year Prison Stint


VANCOUVER, Wash. — Former Vancouver police officer Clyde Ray Spencer spent nearly 20 years in prison after he was convicted of sexually molesting his son and daughter. Now, the children say it never happened.


Matthew, now 33, was 9 years old at the time. He told a judge he made the allegation after months of insistent questioning by now-retired Clark County sheriff's detective Sharon Krause just so she would leave him alone.

Tetz, 30, said she doesn't remember what she told Krause back in 1985, but she remembers Krause buying her ice cream. She said that when she finally read the police reports she was "absolutely sure" the abuse never happened.

"I would have remembered something that graphic, that violent," Tetz said.

Spencer's sentence was commuted by then-Gov. Gary Locke in 2004 after questions arose about his conviction. Among other problems, prosecutors withheld medical exams that showed no evidence of abuse, even though Krause claimed the abuse was repeated and violent.


web page (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531821,00.html)


prosecutors withheld medical exams that showed no evidence of abuse.

:mad:

[Bwana416]

We've always said, rightfully I think, that the Armed Forces would NEVER fire on Americans at the command of an out of control POTUS and Congress. They won't have to. The Alphabet Army (DEA, FBI, HRT, ATF and others) are already heavily armed and owe their first allegiance to the POTUS and screw everyone else!!!:mad:


-Ray

[Wismon]

...there comes a point where I'd rather risk being tasered, beaten or even shot than give up that last little illusion of "free man" I have left.:(
[Sorry for the late response.]

Sabre, I salute you for that! This country was founded by folks like you who would rather die free than live in bondage.

Of course, sometimes it's hard to know which battles to choose to fight. There are a lot of sherrifs Roscoe P. Coletrain and magistrates Boss Hogg out there. I've ground a few milimeters off my teeth letting one or another of them pull their stunts over the years.

But good on you for remembering that just because it's so doesn't make it right.

[ncboman]

The government is giving out one billion dollars in grants nationwide for "Community Oriented Policing Services," or "COPS" for short.

The money will pay for the salaries and benefits of police officers. ... at the expense of us, our children, and our grandchildren, should the government see fit to let them live.

a full list of police depts receiving government handouts. (http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/pdf/chrp_report.pdf)

This should really stimulate the economy because every cop needs a new car, a gun, and plenty insurance. :cool:

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

"The government is giving out one billion dollars in grants nationwide"



That would be the "Government of the people, by the people and for the People"? Or has it Perished from the Earth? You must be talking about the Government of Obama, by Obama and for Obama!............

Alan

[LampLighter]

I see Sgt. Crowley is getting 300k, and New Orleans is getting 2 mil + 500k :eek:

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Where'd you see that? All I can find is how wonderful Obama is for being a Screw-up! The press is going to have him smelling like a rose and being not only "Dear Leader" but "Teacher" and a Pioneer in race relations. I suppose if they say "Obama will be the Teacher, a role he was destined to play" enough times, it will become true!

Alan

[LampLighter]

click on nc's link.

[ncboman]

Wrong Man Jailed for Week in North Carolina

GREENSBORO, N.C. — Authorities say a 44-year-old North Carolina man spent a week in jail because he has the same name as a suspect 23 years younger.

The News & Record of Greensboro reported Saturday that Jesse Ray Hardy Jr. of Greenville was arrested Monday, then taken to jail 160 miles away to face charges of resisting an officer, breaking and entering and failing to yield to a pedestrian.

Court officials say the real suspect shares the same name and hometown, but is not related.

The mix-up wasn't realized until Friday, despite court appearances in both Pitt and Guilford counties.

Judge Susan Bray apologized to Hardy as she worked to get him released.

But he didn't have a way home.

Bray, prosecutors, defense attorneys and bailiffs collected $58 to buy Hardy lunch and a bus ticket back home.

web page (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,563703,00.html?test=latestnews)

:rolleyes:

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

A Freakin Bus Ticket? This guy has just been on "You are about to become a Millionaire!"

Alan

[ncboman]

another police beatdown.

web page (http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_13631841?nclick_check=1#)

[LampLighter]

The video is much too obscure to arrive at any conclusion. However- I have been there in those situations. You know I spent 10 years in service and this is what I have to say Generally about those situations.

Many people mistake kindness for weakness. It is necessary to command an authoritive image. remember the black female cadet on "police academy." That would be a perfect example of weakness. Anyway, once I was working some illegal hunters and I was trying to get them to give up their buddies whom were hiding in the woods. They wouldn't say anything. Two city cops came by, and they asked calmly " want us to give it a try? " I said "go ahead." Man- you don't want to know. Sticks in mouths and all. Blah Blah first and last names, pickup plans etc. :cool:

However- these same individuals do not know when to stop, as seen in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Even commanders lose all professionalism and give bad orders. the book The Great New Orleans Gun Grab is an example. They were shooting dogs ( pets) left at a St Bernard Parish school as a makeshift kennel. They shot the retarded kid on the Dan Zinger bridge.

In conclusion then, based on what I know from 10 years in service, I would not ever be surprised one bit if the fellow getting tortured in nc's video did not do anything. I have seen all sorts of provacation by leo. Just a few months ago I went into the courthouse to up my Occ. license. Had to go through the metal detectors. I walked slow so it didn't miss anything. A deputy got all irate with me wanting to know why I was walking slow. I told him so his machine would do a good job. He said Walk normal from now on ( in a sarcastic voice.) I gave him the 10 second dead stare and almost told him something.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

We got a new Sheriff last year (not that we didn't need one) and we replaced the "Keystone Cops" with the "Gestapo". We went from a very limited form of law enforcement to a very active form of law enforcement without actually increasing our level of "law enforcement". They don't solve any more crimes or prevent any more crimes, they just walk, talk and look meaner.

First of all, Goliad, Texas is a long way from any sort of Crime Capital. There hasn't even been a stolen bicycle report in years. We did have a "Peeping Tom" a while back but nothing more than that. Some kids tried to buy cigarettes at the convenience store.

Now we've got these "Bad Boy" cops with all the leather and ten kinds of radio wires hanging off of them. Guys who I have known for years and worked with just burn me down now when I wave.

There's got to be a happy medium in there somewhere. I don't think kindness(courtesy) is necessarily mistaken for weakness. I've known some very kind LEOs who the worst "bad guy" wouldn't dare give any lip to and I've known some dressed up like "Robo Cop" who would get back in their cars and leave if somebody looked at them crosseyed.

I got a call one night from the SO saying that a Deputy had found some young men (former students) axle deep in the new grass we had planted and watered heavily in front of the school. It was 2:00 AM and they asked me what I wanted to do with them. I said, "Take them to Jail!" The Deputy made them pour out the liquor they were drinking and let them GO! They had to fix the ruts and replant the grass but that is all that the SO would do. Minor in Possession, DWI, DUI, Criminal Mischief, Public Intoxication, etc, etc, etc,... and he lets them go. I asked why this had happened and got the run around. I later learned, from the kids, that they had intimidated the cop and he had let them go.

Now we have a bunch that wear their sunglasses all the time. Maybe they're not being rude, maybe they just can't see.

Alan

[LampLighter]

Now we've got these "Bad Boy" cops with all the leather and ten kinds of radio wires hanging off of them

Yeah, every time you key the mic, it goes " doo lee yoop" 800 mhz when I left. The troopers went to 900 digital I think. When I started, we had the ol 39.5 FM. Those were the ones with the big, long antennas mounted on a spring what would knock all the flourescent light bulbs out at McDonalds. Wildlife had an extra 31.06 - same fm bandwith. St. Francisville PD ( close to Angola prison) still used CB :eek: . That was 1990. I liked my shoulder mic because I could hear dispatch over the drone of the two Mercury 150 saltwater series engines.

[ncboman]

NC Police Look Into Murder-Suicide 911 Response

North Carolina police are investigating why it took more than an hour to dispatch officers to the home of a real estate developer who killed his wife and two teenage children and himself last week.

Multiple media outlets report that Fayetteville police are reviewing a 911 call placed from a landline phone in the home of 47-year-old William Maxwell while he was killing his family.

In the call a female can be heard moaning, followed by a gunshot before the line goes dead. Officers were sent to the home just before Maxwell's father-in-law called from the home to report a murder-suicide more than an hour after the first 911 call.

The 911 dispatcher had called the phone back after the line went dead but got a busy signal and later left a message on the answering machine.

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/69644992.html

[ncboman]

Harvard Professor Says Nancy Grace's Questioning Contributed to Mother's Suicide


OCALA, Fla. — A Harvard professor says a CNN Headline News host's relentless questioning of a Florida mother three years ago contributed to her suicide.

That's according to a filing in a wrongful death case brought by the family of Melinda Duckett. Duckett's 2-year-old son was reported missing in 2006, and CNN host Nancy Grace launched aggressive nightly coverage of the case.

The family claims that Grace's questioning and CNN's coverage decisions inflicted severe emotional distress on the young mother. Grace interviewed Duckett after speculation had begun about the mother's alleged involvement in the toddler's disappearance.

The next day, Duckett shot herself in the head.

Dr. Harold J. Bursztajn, a Harvard clinical professor of psychiatry writes that the CNN interview inflicted public humiliation and was "a substantial contributing cause" of Duckett's death. CNN and Grace have denied any involvement in the suicide.

Trenton Duckett has still not been found, and his mother remains the only suspect.

web page (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579572,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g4:r4:c0 .000000:b29277244:z10)

[vashper]

Evolution
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[ncboman]

NC City's Police Defend Policy On Rape Reports

The police chief in one of North Carolina's largest cities says his department doesn't regularly tell the public about reported rapes and sexual assaults because it would create "a public panic."

The Fayetteville Observer reported that Fayetteville Police Chief Tom Bergamine spoke Tuesday about the investigation of seven cases since June in which women have reported being sexually assaulted. The department disclosed the cases Monday.

Bergamine says detectives need to investigate reports before alerting the public. He says say reports could be false claims or the victims could leave the state and hamper an investigation.

The department makes available nearly all crime reports on its Web site, but it doesn't include sexual assaults or rapes. It says it will make the reports available if someone requests them.

web page (http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/81312307.html)

[ncboman]

No charges for Calif. officers in student beating

Prosecutors say they won't file criminal charges against four Northern California police officers seen in a videotaped beating of an unarmed college student.

Santa Clara County District Attorney Dolores Carr said Wednesday there's insufficient evidence to prosecute the officers.

The probe stemmed from the Sept. 3 arrest of Phuong Ho, a Vietnamese student at California State University, San Jose, during a disturbance call.

A video recorded by Ho's roommate shows officers striking Ho with a baton and shocking him with a Taser. An attorney for one of the officers has said Ho was being combative and noncompliant.

Last month, Carr's office dismissed resisting arrest and other allegations against Ho.

A video recording captured by Ho's roommate shows officers striking Ho with a baton and shocking him with a Taser. An attorney for one of the officers has said Ho was being combative and noncompliant.

Prosecutors recently dismissed resisting arrest and other charges against Ho.

The case has sparked outrage among residents questioning police tactics, especially when arresting minorities.

web page (http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2010/03/03/3973174-no-charges-for-calif-officers-in-student-beating)

[ncboman]

Ky. deputy tries to shoot his way out of cell

Kentucky sheriff says a claustrophobic deputy has lost his job after accidentally locking himself in a jail cell and trying to shoot his way out of it. Adair County Sheriff Ralph Curry told WKYT-TV that no one was hurt when Charles Wright fired his weapon.

It happened Monday, the first day a new $12.4 million county judicial center was open to the public after more than a year of construction.

Curry says the former deputy has claustrophobia and has agreed to pay for the damage he did to the cell.

web page (http://my.freeze.com/StoryHandler.aspx?category=31&story=509233)

[ncboman]

:eating:

Police say cook put body hair in cop's sandwich

Police said a cook put a body hair in the bagel sandwich of a police officer who had given him tickets in the past. The cook was arrested Feb. 21 in the kitchen of Good Foods to Go in Evesham. The police officer ticketed the cook in March 2009 when he failed to pull over for a traffic violation.

The cook spent four hours in jail before his wife bailed him out, and was fired from his job.

The Courier-Post of Cherry Hill reports police asked them not to report the incident for fear of copycat crimes. The paper published the story anyway.

Body Hair ??? (http://my.freeze.com/StoryHandler.aspx?category=31&story=510257)

[ncboman]

Cooking the books ?

North Carolina's attorney general has ordered an independent review of the state's crime lab following revelations about practices there that led to a groundbreaking exoneration of a man wrongly accused of murder.

Attorney General Roy Cooper told The Associated Press on Friday that two former assistant directors of the Federal Bureau of Investigation will review the lab's practices. Cooper says the review of cases dating to the 1990s will begin in about a week.

State Bureau of Investigation Director Robin Pendergraft told the AP last month the lab had a now-defunct policy of not automatically providing complete notes on blood test results for trials.

The practices became known last month during a hearing that freed Greg Taylor after more than 16 years in prison.

web page (http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/86622277.html)

[Dennis Keith]

Sounds to me that the Prosecuting Attorney in Mr Taylors case needs to spend at least sixteen years in prison for wrongful prosecution.

[ncboman]

Former Chicago police official faces charges that he lied about torture of suspects

web page (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/23/chicago-police-official-faces-charges-lied-torture-suspects/)

CHICAGO (AP) — For decades, black men across Chicago described torture at the hands of former police Lt. Jon Burge and his officers, and for decades no one listened. Suspects landed in jail and even on death row for crimes they say they didn't commit after Burge and his men coerced confessions using terrifying methods including suffocation, a form of waterboarding and electric shocks.

Finally those complaints from the 1970s and 80s are being taken seriously — and it could be Burge's own words that send him to prison.

Jury selection begins Monday in Burge's trial on federal obstruction of justice and perjury charges. He's accused of lying when he denied in a civil lawsuit that he and other detectives had tortured anyone. He faces a maximum of 45 years in prison if convicted of all charges.

Burge has pleaded not guilty to the charges and is free on bond.

Authorities have, to a degree, acknowledged that Burge may have committed these horrifying acts, but he does not face torture-related charges because the statute of limitations has run out. The police department fired him in 1993 for mistreatment of a suspect, but did not press charges. A decade later, then-Gov. George Ryan released four condemned men he said Burge had extracted confessions from using torture.

The allegations of torture and coerced confessions eventually led to a still-standing moratorium on Illinois' death penalty and the emptying of death row — moves credited with re-igniting the global fight against capital punishment. But they also earned Chicago a reputation as a haven for rogue cops, a place where police could abuse suspects without notice or punishment.

The scandal has extended to the highest levels of city and county government, and the trial's witness lists include Chicago Mayor Richard Daley, who was Cook County state's attorney during Burge's tenure, fellow former State's Attorney Dick Devine, and Daley's predecessor in the mayor's office, Jane Byrne.

Prosecutors are expected to call former police officers and at least a half dozen men who say they were tortured by Burge or those under his command. The more than 100 victims say the torture started in the 1970s and persisted until the '90s at police stations on the city's South and West sides.

Burge is the first Chicago officer accused of torture to be criminally charged in the case.

"I'm just glad it came to trial in my lifetime, because it looked like it wasn't going to happen," said Jo Ann Patterson, whose son Aaron Patterson was one of the four whom Ryan freed from death row because he believed he had been tortured.

The Republican governor later cleared all of death row, saying the torture of innocent men at the hands of Chicago police had tainted the state's entire death penalty system.

"How many more cases of wrongful convictions have to occur before we can all agree that the system is broken?" Ryan said at the time.

In July 2006, two special prosecutors named to look into the allegations said evidence indicated that dozens of suspects had been mistreated during the 1970s and '80s but that the cases were too old to bring charges. The statute of limitations on the offenses they identified in the report is three years.

Two years later, Burge was charged with lying under oath in a civil lawsuit in which he denied he knew about or took part in beatings, threats and torture methods such as "bagging" — forcing a confession by a putting a plastic typewriter cover over a suspect's head.

Other alleged victims spoke of beatings, gun threats and a mysterious black box used to emit electric shocks. One said his tormentors poured soda into his nose.

The police department fired Burge in 1993, and he now lives in retirement in Florida. He's been diagnosed with prostate cancer, and his trial was delayed for months while he recovered from treatment.

The 62-year-old Army veteran wasn't prosecuted for torture even after police officials agreed that he'd participated in it, and some in the legal community say he wouldn't be facing charges at all if it wasn't for U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald.

"There were a lot of people who could've done something about it and didn't," said Jon Loevy, an attorney who's represented several alleged torture victims. "There were a lot of lost opportunities, and finally Mr. Fitzgerald's office is going to do something about it."

Victims, lawyers and police officers said they have mixed feelings about the trial. Some, like Patterson, are just glad it's finally happening. David Bates, who says he was tortured by men under Burge's command, called the trial a "win-win."

But attorney Flint Taylor, who's represented alleged victims over the last 20 years, isn't satisfied, pointing to the dozens of alleged victims still in prison.

"There really can't be any full justice until the torturers are all in jail, and the torture victims are released and given fair trials," he said.

Burge's trial in front of U.S. District Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow is expected to last six weeks.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

He can undergo prostate cancer treatment while he's in prison can't he. I've heard they have regular prostate exams in prison.

Alan

[Dennis Keith]

Regular, yes, but not sanctioned by health professionals.