Glock 23

[Bill Mc]

I shot my Glock today and proved I'm not a pistol shot. At least not with a Glock.

At 21 feet, everything was about 3 inches to the left but correct on the horizon. At least it wasn't low and to the left. So now I need to work on that trigger pull.

And having old eyes doesn't help.

[dave-t.]

I have the same issue with auto's. I push everything left with the trigger finger.

[Badger]

Bill Mc,

It sounds like you need some Right Windage on that rear sight to be 3 inches left at 7 yards.

Badger

[Hi Ball]

Bill Mc.......I gladly trade eyes with you! Yep, now couple that with arthritis in your shooting hand and it sure gets to be a pain in the arse after 25 rounds at the range. You may need to dry fire that pistol while looking at the Peachy face of yours in a big mirror. Step #1 look at your hand to make sure your grip is in line wilth the long arm bone, #2 sight picture is correct before trigger squeeze and during squeeze. #3 hold your breath, becasue breathing will move that pistol around on the target! Practice those 3 things every day for 15 minutes with NO BULLETS IN THE PISTOL.:D:D;)

[Bill Mc]

It sounds like you need some Right Windage on that rear sight to be 3 inches left at 7 yards.


:D That's 21 feet, not 7.

[LampLighter]

At least not with a Glock.




Most confrontations on the street happen fast! I don't want to give up a 1/2 second taking off a safety from my CCW pistol. This is were the GLOCKS, H&K'S and Sig Sauer's win out in my humble opinion.

Don't feel bad. A champion IPSC shooter once pointed out what is wrong with a Glock. He was on the range with his buddy and told his friend to point at a cat which was walking on the range. His buddy pointed and the champ told him to freeze in that position. The champ slipped a glock in his hand and closed the fingers. Guess where the Glock was pointing ? Up. That fellow did not know what the champ was going to do- he pointed at the cat - A NATURAL point , not thinking about it and thus the brain not modifying the point.

So what is the point ? The IPSC champ was emphasizing that the angle of a glock frame is not matched to a natural point. When Glock shooters go to shoot, they KNOW they are going to shoot. The brain compensates and tells the wrist muscle to "curl down."

A police officer who stops at a local Stop-N-Rob for a cup of coffee walks in, and looks up at the cashier to see a perp in the midst of spinning around with a handgun towards him. There will be NO thinking- no brain telling the wrist to compensate. The officer will draw and fire in a natural point. With the Glock, MAYBE he'll get a lucky shot in the forehead.

Glocks are sold alot on what is popular. TRANE a/c has this figured out big time. Anybody who doesn't normally hang around gun enthuiest communties and thus is not knowledgable, buys on what he/she sees on tv movies, and what is "popular." Many Glocks are sold because of this.

The Ruger 22/45 is made on the same angle as a 1911, and the safety, bolt release, and mag release are in the same location. Ruger made this model as a trainer and practice handgun for the 1911 . I have been practicing this excited "no sights" draw and shoot alot here on my yard range. Yes I do yell at the target to GET BACK . This firearm points VERY naturally for me, as my targets show. All of my quick, excited double & triple taps from ready gun position hit center of chest. One day I just have to get me a 1911.

[MOGC]

I shot my Glock today and proved I'm not a pistol shot. At least not with a Glock.

At 21 feet, everything was about 3 inches to the left but correct on the horizon. At least it wasn't low and to the left. So now I need to work on that trigger pull.

And having old eyes doesn't help.

Bill,
Here is a little drill to help you. At the range place a target stand about 10 feet (feet, not yards) in front of you. On the target stand backer put a blank piece of copy paper. Now back at ten feet carefully fire one shot in the center area of this piece of paper. After doing that, rest your arms, eyes, and catch your breath. Then carefully with all your attention on stance, grip, breathing, front sight and sight alinement, with a controlled trigger crush, all the while continuing to control your breathing, attempt to fire another shot exactly through the hole of the first one. Repeat, keeping in mind that only perfect practice makes perfect. When you reach a point that all your shots are cutting a big solid hole in the paper, double the distance and repeat. This is a good drill for the basics of handgunning marksmanship.

[Hi Ball]

Lam;plighter.......Natural Point hey! Well, I can tell you that I have literally disliked the looks of the GLOCKS for over 25 fears ok. It wasn't until I fired a Glock 29 that I saw the raw power of this semi-auto pistol. Shoots flatter than the 45acp and hits with more authority in tests.

Now not being the pistolero that some are on this network, I was indeed astonished at the accuracy of the GLOCK 29 I purchased last week. None of my Sig Sauer's were that accurate right out of the box, hell it took over 300 rounds just to break them in and one Sig in particular was shooting 4 inches to the left and 3 inches low......now were talking a $900 dollar pistol my friend and I was not a happy camper at that point. It did get better during the next 200 rounds thank goodness.

I am not buying into this pistol champs explanation of Glocks pointing etc. Hell, they shoot lights out as far as I can tell. My wife purchased a GLOCK 26 today and it too was a 2 inch gunat 21 feet with cheap Blazer ammo, as the store owner step next door to the range and shot 2 clips full. Then she had those night sights installed! Her turn at the targets produced 4 inch groups with a new gun.....not bad in my book. The Sig P-239 40 S&W is going down the road for something more usefull to us in the future. The wife likes the trigger pull better on the GLOCKS! The Sig P-239 will most likely go down the road for another another GLOCK in a full size 9mm for the wife to practice with on targets.

Bill Mc......aim small, miss small! ;):D:D

[Scout]

I don't think there's any argument that the Glock's grip angle is vastly different from that of a 1911's, but even with the 1911, you've got to practice with it to become a good shot. As with ANY handgun, you practice the draw and point....practice with lots of dry fires....and practice with live ammo....muscle memory will kick in times of stress. Even if that muscle memory may be "compensating" by curling down.

And then there's always the argument that what's "natural" for you may not be "natural" for me in terms of grip angles.

[Bill Mc]

:D I'm saving up my money for another box of .40s so I can try again.

At least .40s are not scarce in my area.

Still no range .45s or .9s

[StringJumper]

I shot my Glock today and proved I'm not a pistol shot. At least not with a Glock.

At 21 feet, everything was about 3 inches to the left but correct on the horizon. At least it wasn't low and to the left. So now I need to work on that trigger pull.

And having old eyes doesn't help.

Bill, I had a similar issue with my Glock 19 and resolved it by changing the trigger spring for a lighter pull. My groups were immediately cut into 1/2 and centered around the bullseye.