AK-49 Was Wrong...

[Altjaeger]

and so was I.

In a discussion of rifle pressures we spoke of pressure standards of cartridges and the organizations that set them.

He spoke of SAMMI who I thought was a girl from high school popular with the boys after midnight. :D However, I spoke of the NAAMI which is ALSO wrong.

The name of the organization is the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures Institute or S.A.A.M.I. It is an associatioon form by firearms manufacturers years ago to provide safe and standardized ammunition to the American shooter. You may from time to time see SAAMI/ANSI. ANSI is American National Manfactures Institute that is an association of manufacturers stting standards for a variety of product and to which SAAMI belongs.

I also spoke of the C.I.P. that set European standards. Its full name is, "Commission Internationale Permanente pour i'Epreure des Armes_a'_Feu_Portatives". It sets the standards for some 14 states, mostly European for a wide variety of products including arms and ammunition. They set pressure limits on the loading of cartridges and require proofing in C.I.P. proof houses for all firearms. The firearms must withstand loads 25% in PRESSURE that the C.I.P. standards.

[M99ER]

The firearms must withstand loads 25% in PRESSURE that the C.I.P. standards.
That makes no sense. in the way it is written. It should read:
The firearms must withstand loads 25% in excess PRESSURE (that <wrong word) than the C.I.P. standards set.

Also were you trying to refer to the standard of C.U.P. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_units_of_pressure) which is sometimes significantly higher than the lawyer and lawsuit driven (down) SAAMI standards?

It just so happens that Saami is approx 20% less than some CUP loads if you look back in reloading books over the years and also if you compare the loads recommended from the rifle manufacturers to the powder companies loads.

Besides,,, what do the French (this is only a joke) know about firearms when all really do with them is tie their white (and brown) undies to the bayonets to hold them high and wave them in the breeze..... :rolleyes:

[Altjaeger]

What I should have said was for a firearm to pass proof testing in a C.I.P. Proof House it must withstand firing of loads that are 25% higher in pressure than the standard set for that cartridge by the C.I.P.

CUP ( Copper Units Pressure) nor SAAMI have anything to do with it.

Thanks for pointing it out.

[Hi Ball]

Altjaeger, if you and AK-49 were to read the reloading manual "ANY SHOT YOU WANT" by Art Alfin, you would both have learned something new. :rolleyes::D:D:D