Exploding Glocks!!

[Bwana416]

The police in Winter Haven, wherever that is, are returning $38k worth of Glock .45ACP pistols after two blew up. I suspect cast lead bullets. The octagonal rifling does NOT like such fodder I'm told.:eek:


Ray

[LampLighter]

When I was in service, we used our own handguns up till 99 I believe it was. The rumors were spreading that we were getting Glocks, then Sigs. I told them boys this is bad because along with dept. issue comes them telling you what ammo you can have. All the P.D. admins follow what they learn at Police Commissioner conventions, and , that sheeple phrase, " what the other depts are using. " I told them if they issued Glocks, I was resigning. We got Sigs. Sure enough, we were issued the Win SXT, which is Black Talon in disguise. Not too bad. It is my opinion that Glocks are 100% totally sold on popularity as " the one to have" and not on practical instinctive functionability. They are junk that belongs in the garbage can in my opinion.

[MOGC]

Glock captured the American LE market because of price point and the fact that generally they are simple to operate and fairly reliable bullet squirters. Better than other makers guns? No... As good as many? Yes... Less expensive than other guns in the same quality range? Absolutely! Price point and liability is what the white shirts look at, not what the troops actually want or need.

[Badger]

Bwana,

I would like to read the specifics of the mishaps with the Glocks.

LampLighter,

In 1989, our agency went to Glock M17 or M19 (agent's choice) 9mm pistols. I was the Division Firearms Instructor for all 100 agents in New England at the time and conducted the 750 rounds of Transition Training for our agents. I shot my M19 a lot and three times in 6 years my M19 "died" when the trigger spring stopped returning the trigger to the forward position. Fortunately, I was on the range all three times my Glock quit firing.

You have a valid point when you say many agencies go to a certain arm (or round) because "everyone else is doing it."

Badger

[Bwana416]

Glocks with their octagonal rifling are rightly famous for disliking cast lead bullets. Besides detonations there have been countless reports of feed failures with lead too.

-Ray

[Hi Ball]

Lamplighter.......Now I'll ask you sir, who in the handgun industry has taken one of their pistols and run over 250,000 rounds through the gun without a mishap? answer is GLOCK!!!.........NO ONE IN THE INDUSTRY RUNS A "TORTURE TEST" ON THEIR PISTOLS LIKE GLOCK, please do check it out for yourself. I do have the video! If you were to try those tests on todays Kimber's, Colts, Springfields, Par-Ordinance or Sig Sauer's etc. they would most likely blow up in your face. Todays 45's are all about looks and shooting tight groups at the pistol range period.

Now I find it very hard to believe that so many departments in so many countries besides the USA have been using GLOCKS for over 25 years and still keep ordering more GLOCKS!!! Ummmmmm now what is wrong I ask, if they are so "dangerous" to shoot or carry? I hate the looks of a GLOCK and I dislike "plastic or polymer" also. However, it is very hard NOT to read the findings of tests done in the field with GLOCK pistols.

The only negative reports I have run across over the years, are those that refer to policeman shooting themselves with their GLOCK service pistol because they became lacks about handling their service pistol, taking it in and out of it's holster. They just can't seem to keep their finger off the blessed trigger guard. Now let me say this in regard to those FBI agents that were killed in a gun fight in Florida. If those agents would have been using a GLOCK in 10mm and 180 grain bullets, they would still be alive today and able to do their jobs.

I would venture to say, that over half those policeman on the force today, can NOT shoot or qualify with a 1911 model semi-auto! Then their is the Sig Sauer (I own several of those too) giving you a 10-lb trigger pull on the first shot and a 5 pound trigger pull there after, not the best for a duty cop, as that first shot is very important they been telling me all these years. So now it boils down to the OLD RELIABLE........Bill Jordan, once said, "If your going to bet your life on a pistol, make sure it is a wheel gun in COLT OR S&W" Just foodfor thought folks. However, I will stick with my Glock 10mm and leave the politics to the politicians. :rolleyes: :D

[MOGC]

HiBall, you are drinking too much of the drastic plastic Kool Aide...

[Dennis Keith]

Yes, But if I recall correctly Mr Jordan's favorite carry round was the .44 Russian in a big Smith N Series. But that was 40 years ago and we were listening to all kinds of stories from Mr Jordan, and I may have slept a time or two since then and no longer have my copy of his book to check for reference having given it away to an instructer on the Chicago Police Department a bunch of years after that.

Mr Jordan was also the first man to use the .44 magnum in combat having taken one with him to Viet Nam while he was on special assignment teaching Marksmanship to the troops in country.

[MOGC]

Dennis,
Bill Jordan used the .45 ACP in a S&W revolver extensively in combat in the Pacific during WWII. Then as a Border Patrolman Jordan lobbied S&W to make the .357 Magnum available in the lighter K-frame and basically fathered the K-Frame .357 M19 Combat Magnum. That was his carry gun for nearly all his LE career.

You are confusing Jordan with two other LE gunscribes of the day. Skeeter Skelton favored a .44 Special in the M1950 S&W for a good deal of his time in LE. But Skeeter was most known for packing a 5" M27 .357 Magnum. That 5" M27 was his signature gun the same as Jordans was the 4" M19. Charles Askins is the other guy you are thinking of that used a .44 Magnum in SE Asia. Askins used a pretty wide variety of guns in the Army and in his Border Patrol days. Much of that time was spent with a 1911 .45 ACP. None of those experienced lawmen had anything bad to say about the .45 ACP cartridge. In fact, ole' Elmer Keith himself recommended the .45 ACP if a feller was to use a semi-auto handgun for self defense/duty.

[Dennis Keith]

I stand corrected, However Mr Jordan remaines a hell of a figure to be admired, even emulated, as I carrid a Model 66 when I was hauling other folks money to the bank, the SS version of the Model 19.

[MOGC]

Dennis,
You betcha, Jordan was a man among men.

[Hi Ball]

MO-GC.......Sir I do not drink Kool Aide!!! :rolleyes:

Now if you have an itch best scratch it before it drives you to jumping into the creek savy! :eek: ;)

Now if you don't care for the 10mm caliber fine and dandy and if you dislike Poly/plastic pistols thats ok too. However, there seem to be millions who find them #1 Very Reliable #2 Very Accurate. Now in the beauty catagory, they may be in the same boat as yourself, fogging up the mirror and looking ugly to some folks.:D :D :D

Hey, I got a new project going, calling it the "LEO SPECIAL" a 6 inch 9 x 25 Dillion barrel in my model 20 GLOCK. It ought to make things move just a little faster hey. ;) :)

[MOGC]

I actually like the 10mm, but I realize for self defense against humans it just isn't any better, and perhaps even worse, than several other calibers that are more easily managed. I actually packed a 10mm Colt's Delta Elite on duty for awhile.

As for Glock's I always get tired of the hoopla that the squirt gunners spew in defense of their chosen handgun. I am a certified Glock Armorer and know the in's and out's of the dang things. I packed one because of department mandates for about six years. I shot 2,500 rounds through my issue G22 in a four week period training with the St. Louis PD Swat Unit. My G22 and several others broke within that training period and I had to take our guns off the line and repair them from a parts bag. You don't have that luxury in a gunfight. They certainly aren't foolproof and should be treated like any other high quality semi-auto with a careful maintenance schedule. Glock's are a machine, pure and simple and machines break down and or fail, best to be prepared for that. Thinking the "tactical tupperware" is foolproof will lead to a major letdown and probably when you can least afford it.

[Hi Ball]

MO-GC........Yes you are very correct! Any thing mechainical (pistol) can and will at sometime FAIL period. I would bet my money on a quaility wheel gun first, such as COLT or Smith & Wesson. It is just a matter of time before such a thing happens and when it does, one who is thinking ahead will draw that second weapon and keep his or her self from becoming a victom at criminal hands. Semi-auto's do have their plus and minus factors.

I have fought the GLOCK people and their plastic pistols for over 25 years! However, the 10mm caliber is one heck of a self-defense caliber, if one can handle the recoil etc. I just wish Sig Sauer would have a model or two to choose from out of their line up.

Now GC just so YOU know, I am getting a new KIMBER in 10mm as a back up for my GLOCK, (will wear in shoulder rig in cooler weather, especially while driving the vehicle) should it break in the field down the road. I don't worry or even want to shoot or handle those lead bullets, I'll stick to the jacketed variety instead.

The average shooter on the streets today will NEVER fire 10,000 rounds through their pistols in a lifetime. I do believe the figure is more like the 100 rounds a year, after the break in period and new ownership wears off the gun.

Project gun using GLOCK 20 (SF) and Wolf barrel in 9 x 25 Dillion! Now what do you think about them apples?....not juice.
Askew and Jordan are legends for most people into guns over 40 years old! It just didn't get any better in my eyes and let's put Skeeter in their also, hell yes.

[Hi Ball]

MO-GC......So is guess your Glock 22 is satisfactory right? Well, I just picked one up myself, as it is longer than the G-27 and fits my back pocket to a TEE.:D The 40 calbier is ok but is surely is NOT a 10mm by any means. I really like those 10mm calibers. Next project gun will be a Kimber with double stacked magazine in 10mm! ;) :cool:

[MOGC]

I'm not a fan of the .40 S&W cartridge. I packed that G22 for six years and a Sig P226 for another two years in .40 S&W and thought the cartridge wasn't all that accurate to begin with, was loaded over pressure, and was a pain in the rear to handload.

[Hi Ball]

MO-GC, I too am not a great fan of the .40S&W but it is better than the 9mm Luger in my eyes. I would rather have the .357-Sig but the 10mm is the one to carry or the 45acp with enough bullets in the magazine.

Gunsmithing is very expensive as you know, I have a friend how had a double stack magazine put on a model 1911 Springfield. It is to big for my hand to fit around the grip but it works for him. I still like the 1911 model platform and my next one will be a Kimber in the 10mm caliber just for grins.

So far to carry that Glock 22 is a piece of cake with a pocket holster and loose Tee shirt on in the hot weather. It fits nicely in my back jeans pocket with no problem. :D

I am looking for a longer barrel for my model 29 Glock, so I can replace that Glock 22 in the 40 S & W caliber. I been thinking or trading it in on something else down the road, possibly another Glock in 10mm, which will be another G-20 most likely. ;)

[rimrock]

Ive been using a glock 20 10mm with a 6" wolf barrel for about 8 years now as a concealed carry and hunting handgun with ZERO malfunctions or complaints but then Im 6'3" and 260lb so It hides well

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http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=297

[Hi Ball]

RimROCK, now that is exactly what I intend to do to my GLOCK-20! I am ordering a 6 inch barrel from Wolf in the near future. Also ordered a case of ammo from Double Tap in 10mm. It is not cheap but just finding 10mm ammo is a nightmare lately!:eek: :(

[Bill Mc]

The only problem I know about Glocks is their unsupported chamber. this only means that if you shoot reloads, sooner or later a case will rupture.

I have a Glock 23. The first time I shot it, I noticed that the recoil was causing the bottom of trigger guard to rub my finger. I've since move from using the pad of the first joint to the joint itself. That seemed to help.

But I think the Springfields are more "egoronomic" They also have been thru those torture test.

[billt]

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I'm a big Glock convert. I used to hate them, but now own 6 of them. The only one I have that isn't pictured is my Glock 26 double stack 9 MM Mini. Very similar to the Glock 30 in .45 ACP. Bill T.

[Hi Ball]

Bill-T........Yep, those GLOCKS sure do grow on ya! I know have several myself in various calibers, 2 in the 10mm, 2 in the .40 cal and 1 in the .357-Sig version. 5 total and the wife has her two in 9mm Luger, the model 26 and the model 19.

I almost started to convert one of my 10mm into a Dillion caliber but I just shyed away from the idea after a short period of thought. I got more pistols now than I can shoot at the range. :)

[billt]

I got more pistols now than I can shoot at the range. :)

I'm in the same boat. And I must admit, it's a nice boat to be in! :D Bill T.

[Hi Ball]

Bill-T, I had to get myself a Dillon XL 650 to keep up with the range shooting and price of ammo is way out of line to boot. I am thinking about also getting a 550 Dillion as well, just so's I can reload other calibers faster.

A guy told me he can do 1,200 rounds per hour on the XL 650 but I only get around 650 per hour so far. We don't shoot more than 300 rounds between the wife and I with our pistols. :)

[LoneEagle]

Glocks with their octagonal rifling are rightly famous for disliking cast lead bullets. Besides detonations there have been countless reports of feed failures with lead too.

-Ray

How do you know this? How many Glocks have you shot and how many have you shot lead through?

I owned for many years a Glock 23 and shot a lot of lead through that gun. A very good friend of mine owns that Glock now and still continues to shoot lead through it. You post some very vague attempt at Glock bashing, with the "I hear" disclaimer. Then you try to make it sound like you know first hand.

And it is NOT ocagonal rifling!!!! It is Polygonal!