Health Care Plan

[ncboman]

FOR SALE

We tax ... YOU PAY.

Barrack 'The Hammer' Obammer

:D

[Altjaeger]

FOR SALE

We tax ... YOU PAY.

Barrack 'The Hammer' Obammer

:D

What did he say tonight?:eek:

[ncboman]

What did he say tonight?:eek:

The way I understand it, the new healthcare tax is to bail out the gov from the bailouts. It has little to do with healthcare and is more about getting the avg Joe in the 50% tax bracket.

:rolleyes:

[Altjaeger]

The way I understand it, the new healthcare tax is to bail out the gov from the bailouts. It has little to do with healthcare and is more about getting the avg Joe in the 50% tax bracket.

:rolleyes:

Oh, I heard it all, I just did not understand the answer to a single question!

[ncboman]

Oh, I heard it all, I just did not understand the answer to a single question!

That's because you are white. :o

[TinStar]

No; it's because he's smart. Only stupid people get it and drink the Kool Aid.
I don't even listen to the commie liar. Rather hear the commentary on it on Fox News afterward. The other networks are too busy slobering and on their knees to be objective.
Thank the good Lord that lots of folks aren't buying into and hopefully it will die a quick death and go into the Inept One's minus column along with all his other "work".

TinStar
Soli Deo Gloria!

[bugsNbows]

This health care crap is not about the health needs of the people. It's about dependency and power. Stupid politicians make me want to puke.

[Hink]

We are already paying for healthcare for a large chunk of the population through Medicare, Medicaid, CHIPS, and other governmental programs for employees. The chunk is in excess of 50 percent.

The biggest users of healthcare, those age 65+, cost me half each paycheck of what I pay for my own insurance and over the last 25 years my total insurance expense has been roughly $800 while paying thousands to private insurance carriers. I've paid all of this out for minimal use of coverage and my medicare payments have funded gold standard healthcare for our elderly. Yes, a medicare patient with supplemental insurance is the best paying patient you can get and they are well taken care of and no expense spared.

If you are age 19 to 64 then you are in the gravy class for the insurance providers and they will fund their risk pools and pay their shareholders with your premiums and more than likely you'll never use but a tiny percentage of what you pay in premiums.

Now if you want a single payor system you have to take this gravy away from the insurance industry because the two can't exist. The money is there to fund one hell of a health care system. In fact it funds it and makes up the gaps right now as hospitals and providers can raise rates to shift costs but governmental pay is dictated to them at a set amount.

If you take this gravy it will impact the economy and the stock market short term as these companies will lose a major cash cow that may or may not be able to be made up elsewhere via supplemental insurance.

If you attempt to take this gravy as a politician you will get hung out to dry by their lobby and your current term will be your last.

The only healthcare we are ever going to get will be more stop gap programs than don't endanger the insurance carriers cash cow.

Frankly, I see a single payor system as the biggest opportunity for the folks who work for a living to actually save money and get high quality health care but we aren't ever going to see it as there aren't any democrats or republicans with the balls to take on the insurance lobby and do it. That is why I say the shame of it.

[TinStar]

One of these days you too will become one of those "biggest users of healthcare" unless something happens. That's just the way it goes. The elderly get sick before they die you know; at least most of the time. Or you may have a very serious illness while still young and then you'll be grateful for all that $$ being paid in.

Go to a single payer system(which years ago I thought would be the solution) and some government bureaucrat makes decisions for you based upon many things including life expectancy and your ability to contribute to society. Would you like some unelected nit-wit in DC making health decisions about you or your grandfolks? The other poster was right. This ALL about control. If they can do this they can dictate what you do, what you eat, etc., etc. all based upon what you may use in the system. No thanks. Screw those liberal commies. Like mine just the way it is. Our system here isn't perfect, but it's better than most and it's stupid to screw it up for way less folks than the Head Liar is saying.

TinStar
Soli Deo Gloria!

[Hink]

Go to a single payer system(which years ago I thought would be the solution) and some government bureaucrat makes decisions for you based upon many things including life expectancy and your ability to contribute to society. Would you like some unelected nit-wit in DC making health decisions about you or your grandfolks?

TinStar
Soli Deo Gloria!

I'm going to respond because that is the biggest fear mongering claim you hear throughout all of this.

I guess that is what they are doing right now at CMS right? That's why mom at the tender age of 97 still gets the CABG that more than likely will kill her quicker than just taking some clot busting meds and spending the time with family. We did everything we could for mom, made sure the surgeon split her chest and had her on the H/L machine for 3 hours so she'd never get out of a recovery bed. No expense is spared with the care of our elderly and its is completely 100% administered by some unelected nit-wit in DC. The fact is TinStar we thrive on them.

As I said in my post, you would only be taking on the other half of the population that isn't covered and they use very little health insurance. Thus, you'd have a gold standard program and it would cost this working half of the population less as they are much smaller users.

Now if you are heavily invested in insurance companies or work for insurance companies then this notion of a single payor is your worst nightmare.

The one fact that you ought to know is that the insurance companies do not and I repeat do not start paying for services that haven't been adopted by CMS. So, everyone was slow to adopt heart studies with 64 slice CTs, full body cancer scans with PET/CT machines, directional or mapping with PET/CT to target cancers for pinpoint adm of treatment and then followup to see if it worked until CMS started paying for it.

You sound like somebody with the insurance lobby or somebody that believes what they've been fed. You gotta watch what gets spread around in the debate on this because a lot of it is better spread on the garden.

I just see 2 line items coming out of my paycheck and if both are added together then it makes no difference and if the amount is a good bit less than that's pretty good too.

[Sabre]

Well Hells bells ! If the "sickest" half of the population is already gettin' "gold standard health care" off'n "my" medicare payments then double "my" damn payments and let me in !

[Hink]

It will never happen Sabre, the insurance lobby is far to strong.

[Sabre]

Yeah well screw them insurance guys !:mad: I got a good strong rope an' a tall tree right out back !:D

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

The man talks like a Texan!

Alan

[ncboman]

The man talks like a Texan!

Alan

That's a pretty deep insult. :D

[TinStar]

Hey Hink,

I guess it's a matter of who's doing the feeding. You sound like you're being fed by the lefties. How about the illegals? We'd be paying for them also. And what about Mass. where the "system" is in shambles? How about Hawaii that tried something and it collapsed? You think a gov. program would be good? The gov. has screwed up just about everything it has touched. Hell they even raided SS and haven't paid that back.
Give your local Dem. a call for more talking points. Supporting anything that the commie in the White House is for just isn't in my game plan, sorry.

TinStar
Soli Deo Gloria!

[Bill Gunn]

I got this from another hunting site, this will make your day better.... NOT...
Do you think for a second that the senate or the president will fall under it's rules.... Me thinks not :mad:

Here is the Cliff Notes report on some of the statements in the House Health Care Bill. If you don't think this will affect all of us, read on. It is truly obscene!
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Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that
self-insure!!

Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill -THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what
treatments/benefits you get

Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!


Pg 42 of HC Bill - The "Health Choices Commissioner" will choose your HC
Benefits for you. You have no choice!

PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens,
illegal or otherwise

Pg 58HC Bill - Government will have real-time access to individuals' finances and a
National ID Health card will be issued!

Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your bank accounts
for electronic funds transfers

PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in
Unions & community organizations (ACORN).

Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating a HC exchange to bring private HC plans under
Government control.

PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in
the Exchange

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics f or Benefit Levels for Plans = The Government will
ration your health care!

PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Government mandates "linguistic appropriate services".
Example - Translation for illegal aliens

Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 818 The Government will use groups - i.e., ACORN & Americorps to
sign up individuals for Government HC plan

PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specifics of Benefit Levels for Plans. #AARP members - Your
Health care WILL be rationed

PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible individuals will be
automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVERNMENT on price fixing. No "judicial
review" against Government Monopoly

pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Government will tell YOU what&nbs p;
you can make. (Sorry, Homer!)

Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST automatically enroll employees in public option plan.
NO CHOICE

Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND
their families.

Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer with payroll of 400k and above who does not provide public
option pays 8% tax on all payroll

pg 150 Lines 9-13 Business with payroll between 251k & 400k who doesn't provide public option
pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to the
Government will be taxed 2.5% of income

Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NON-RESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes.
(Americans will pay)

Pg 195 HC Bill -officers and employees of HC Administration (GOVERNMENT) will have access to
ALL Americans' finances/personal records

PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be
treated as tax" Yes, it says that!

More to come, lots more; and none of it is good news for working, tax-paying Americans.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

nc, us Texans understand that everyone can't be from Texas. We can also empathize with those who aren't and how really bad that must make them feel. We are used to dealing with a jealous World of non-Texans and every now and then we try to boost the self esteem of non-Texans by attributing Texan-like qualities to them. We can't do this for everyone all the time so I understand why you might lash out because I paid Sabre "the ultimate complement". I promise though, at some point in the near future, that I will say something Texan about you to, OK?

Now if I had said "The man talks like a UT grad!" I would expect him to have taken offense. I would not have expected a fight, as it is not in their nature to be aggressive but their crying and carrying on gets annoying at times.

One of our regrets in Texas is that Austin is not on the coast. That way there would be a chance of it being wiped out by a hurricane.

As far as health care is concerned, like many other things, you get what you pay for. I haven't heard one single doctor or member of the medical profession throw in with this Health Care Plan. They all know what's going to happen and they don't like it. The World comes to the United States right now to study medicine. Our schools are the best and our research is cutting edge.

You heard what our Village Idiot said, "We live in the greatest country in the world, help me change that!"(paraphrased). We are living crisis to crisis these days.

Alan

[ncboman]

There was a fella from Texas on another forum that use to brag and brag about the hunting on the baconrind ranch. Finally he invited a bunch of folks to the ranch for a 'forum hunt'. A number of the guys jumped on it, booking plane flights, buying nonres licenses, the whole smear.

Couple of days before the hunt, ol baconrind canceled the whole deal. Seems when the family found out about his plans this particular Texan got put in his place. All the guys that had spent money were sol.

That is but one example of a string of fukwhats that Texans have generated on talk forums.

Since I lived in Texas for a number of years I know not all Texans are full of hot air ... but the ones that blow the hardest usually are. :D

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

I didn't know Rick Perry hunted the Baconrind?!!

Alan

[Sabre]

Ya'll sound like a bunch of old hens runnin' round the barnyard squawkin "the sky is fallin" Sheesh.:rolleyes: Some of the things in Bill Gunn's post above are already in effect and have been for some time. For instance, if you think your money is safe from the government in the bank you've lived a sheltered/charmed life. They can freeze your accounts and/or clean them out any time they wish. I learned this from personal experience years ago and to this day won't keep more than a token amount that I'm prepared to lose at any time in the bank. The last time my accounts were frozen it was the Dept. of labor that did it. When I called to find out why I was informed I was under investigation as a possible illegal alien !:eek: I was born, raised and have lived right here in this area my whole friggin' life ! When I asked the douche bag on the phone how long this investigation would take and what I was supposed to do for money in the meantime I was told " four to six weeks" and "that's not my problem" !:mad: A couple of other govt. agencies that can and will freze your accounts and clean you out at will if you get crossways with them are the IRS and support collection, so Lamplighter's idea of burying money in mason jars might not be such a bad one after all !

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Yeah, I don't keep any money in the bank either.

Different reason, same end result.


Alan

[dave-t.]

Since we're talking banks, when was the last time you tried pulling a wad of cash out? I worked a deal on a tractor, and the old guy only wanted cash. I went to the bank to pull it, and they about had fits. I had to talk with 3 levels of people in the bank to get less than 3k of my own money out of a savings account, and they told me it would have been better to call ahead.

It seemed at the time that they really wanted to deny me but couldn't come up with a strong enough reason to do so. It was an eye openner. They want every transaction electronic and traceable.