Third Party Candidates Shake Up Local Races, Send Warning Ahead of 2010

[Altjaeger]

Originally Posted by GF.

JMO, fellas... The hard-line social conservatives are taking the Republican party so far out of the main stream that it's going to become totally irrelevant, and then where are you?

I'm not gonna debate anybody on the right or wrong of their religious or moral beliefs, but if the GOP can't find a way to make room for the independents and other middle o' the roaders, they may as well change their O-fisshal Critter from an elephant to a Mastodon, 'cuz they're headed for extinction. It's not the Red or Blue that wins elections anymore, it's the Purple.

Do you wanna live in a Republic where you're free to hold and to voice your moral & religious opinions, and where you can argue that people should hold themselves to a higher standard than required by law, or do you wanna live in a mobocracy as a voiceless minority with no influence on the whole?

First that sounds like the mantra of the far left of the Democratic party that is in control today full of insinuations that are untrue. I have seen no one trying to enforce any particular brand of religion. We debated a while back about gay marriage but truth is that even in liberal states like California the proposition has been soundly defeated anytime it has gone on the ballot. It is the left that has sought to impose new standards and its will on the people. The right has not sought to enforce anything new, but to maintain the current system and the popular opinion.

As far losing for being to far right I believe just the opposite. When Republican clearly enunciate their beliefs AND live by them they win. It is when they sound mish-mashy or fail to examplify those standards they lose. The most recent example is John McCain who had in truth one of the most conservative voting records in the Senate, but sounded centrist or George W. Bush and the Republicans who talk conservative but spent like drunken sailor on shore leave looking more like Democrats. Bush talked conservative as did Reagan and they won.

When conservative and Republicans act and sound conservative they win.

[TinStar]

Good post Altjaeger! We do win when we stick to our roots!

G.F. said

"Do you wanna live in a Republic where you're free to hold and to voice your moral & religious opinions, and where you can argue that people should hold themselves to a higher standard than required by law, or do you wanna live in a mobocracy as a voiceless minority with no influence on the whole?"

That statement should be taken to heart by all Americans who consider themselves free...and it is exactly why this administration and the Dems should be defeated!

Hey GF..get a grip on reality! The Dems have been hijacked by the radical left(Communists/Social progressives) who want to turn this country into a socialist state where everyone depends wholly on the government tit. You can go suck on it all you want and watch your hard earned bucks go to Washington and its corrupt politicians that love to have power over you; but most of the people in the US do NOT! Just look at all the policies the Inept One wants to force on us. He will have us turned into a third world nation so he and those of his ilk can march on to a one-world government!
Start using that head for more than just a place for your hat.
Talk about "a place where you can voice your moral and religious opinions" ...just try having a student do that in school the way things are now thanks to the liberal progressives!!!


TinStar
Soli Deo Gloria!

[Rock Chuck]

I read on another site that ACORN of PA has moved to NJ to 'help out'. Seems that they brought with them a record number of absentee ballots. It's a shoo-in for Corzine.

[GF.]

Alt - You and I have our fingers on the pulses of some very different parts of the country, so this is more observation than argument... But based on everything that I see around here, and in talking to a lot of friends and relatives and yes, even Clergy out in CO and some other swing states, Sarah Palin cost McCain a whole stinkin' boatload more votes than she ever could have gained him by 'activating the base'.

You see, Tinstar... The trouble is that to a lot of folks out here in the middle of the road, it appears that the republicans have been as just woefully 'hi-jacked' by what appears to be (from over here) the ultra-conservative right, and 2008 clearly shows that moderates were more afraid of the right than the left. Now, if you're generally more conservative than I am, you won't agree, and if you're generally a bit more 'liberal' than I am, you'll wonder how in the hell it took me so long to catch on to the blindingly obvious, but that's the way it always goes in these things....

I never had much use for Newt Gingrich, myself, but he did endorse that NY candidate with the 'too liberal' views because, he said, she seemed to be in tune with the positions of the voters in her district. Which is exactly what 'representative government' is supposed to be about, no?

You mentioned earlier that 3rd-party candidates usually tip the scales to favor the 'liberals'. Well, yeah.... That's the Purple I was talking about. So far, the 3rd-party candidates have drawn off more votes from Team Red than Team Blue because the Reds don't have the grip on moderates that they seem to think that they do. Obama won (and by a large margin) not only because he brought out a very large number of first-time voters (who are a lot more likely to vote again than they are to change sides), but because of all those moderates who can just no longer sign on to the Republicans' social agenda .

It's not that the Indies don't favor responsible government, smaller government, or smarter government; it's things like being more worried about the make-up of the supreme court than the idea of health care reform. And even when the mid-term elections bring some Republican representation back into the House & Senate, (JMO) it'll be more a matter of the Indies looking for balance between the two major parties than their endorsing a 'conservative' agenda.

[Dennis Keith]

GF, you really aren't as smart as you think you are by at least half. The BAse supports GROUNDED CONSERVATIVE candidates. McCain gave us a Disaster called Campaign Finance Reform, a clearly UNCONSTITUTIONAL ATTACK on the First Amendment's Gurantee of FREE SPEACH that was upheld by the Surpreme Court.

In Politics Money equals SPEACH, squeeze the money out of Politics and you STIFFEL THE SPEACH. Restrictions on the Speach of THIRD PARTIES is also contrary to the First Amendment, and McCain supported that as well.

McCain LOST HIS CREDS with the base by cozying up to the Democrats on way tooo many issues. Without Palin the trouncing could have been as bad as when Renaldous Maximus kicked Carters sorry ass. But you go with what the Papers telll you, and the Country will disappear FOREVER.

The MODERATES as you want to call them had in McCain the Candidate that THEY tell you they wanted, however those same Moderates "bought a pig in a poke' by opting to support "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN."

Give the Country a GROUNDED CONSERVATIVE like the Governor of Louisanna or Alaska and you will see the CONSERVATIVES that supported, and voted FOR Regan, come back to the polls in such numbers that will have the librals asking themselves what happened.

But then the end of today's vote should tell which of us has been into the wrong kool-ade.

[dave-t.]

Elections are not won becuase you agree 100% with the candidate. Nobody has agreed 100% with any candidate, not even their wives honestly. What wins is a strong leader. Dems going to their liberal base, or Rebublicans playing to conservatives, gives off that strong image. No, they aren't pandering for the middle of the roader's, they are playing from a position of strong support, and that exudes an aura of strong leadership. When you bend your parties beliefs and weave compromise into your platform, it is practically an admission that your party is not well based. It is a confusing position to run for office in, "Vote Rebublican, we're much more liberal now!" Well, why not vote liberal to begin with if Rebublican values can't seal the deal?

Going strong at the base, and with strong support from the base is where the strongest position is for a politician. You raise more money, you get more volunteers, you get more people talking about you good or bad, but so long as they are talking, it is good for the candidate.

The middle of the road voters then must decide (like always) who is the least of two evils. The strongest leader, in perception, is the one people will be naturally drawn too. To play from a weaker position, and spout that you are a stronger/better leader, wreaks of falsehood on a very subliminal level. It is a big hump to get across.

That is why very right conservatives usually fair better in elections than more wishy-washy rebulicans, no matter who their constituents are. Very right is a winning play for rebublicans, just as keeping left is a strong position for Dem's.

This past presidential election had some other obvious aspects that drew in votes for the Dem's. John McCain trying to play center, didn't help him at all. IMO, it was going to be a losing battle for Rebublicans no matter who they ran in '08. Bush's reputation was too much to surmount for any of the candidates. Would have been easier against Hillary though.

[GF.]

I live in a different (and dark, dark blue) part of the country, so I'm not gonna tell anybody he's FOS if he disagrees with me. None of us has as full a picture as could be, which is why I've talked through a lot of these things with folks from different swing states. All I really have to work with is a pile of opinions, so I've tried to get a cross-section, 'cuz I find I don't learn very much when I only talk to people who agree with me.

But to your point, Dave, Obama presented himself as both a leader and a unifier, and I would fully agree that McCain's centrist/'unifier' credentials went up like a pie-pan full of FFF - the difference between me and some other folks is that I see Palin as the match.

Basically, we all tend to believe that our own values are in tune with 'most' Americans, so the conservatives blame McCain for being too 'centrist' and those less conservative will fault him for selling out to the right wing, and tell you that that 'most folks' just weren't willing to take the risk on how far to the right Sarah Palin would take things if she ever got to be the Boss.

What kills me about this deal in New York is that there's a district which hasn't gone democratic since 1873; the Republican candidate probably should have been able to win this one with her eyes closed, but a few people - not necessarily even people who live in that district - decided she just wasn't as much of a social conservative as she ought to be, even though the majority of voters in the area evidently share her views.

So now many of the republicans up there have to decide between their social values and their political tradition/affiliation, and they're being told that the eyes of the nation are upon them, and it's their patriotic duty to send a message to Washington that we've all had enough of Obama.

Well, horseschitt. Influence from out of town buying and bullying their way into winning 'points' for their agenda and eff those poor local saps who will have to live there with a 'representative' who doesn't represent their views. Now that's America!

I don' know who's gonna win this one, but suffice to say I'm not rooting for the 'away' team.....

[Altjaeger]

Originally Posted by GF.

What kills me about this deal in New York is that there's a district which hasn't gone democratic since 1873;

I am not going into another circular argument with you repeating ourselves in defferent verbage, but lets make sure our facts are correct.

The MSM would have you believe that statement which stretches the truth to the point of breaking. It has not sent a Democratic representative to the House of Representatives since 1873 to my knowledge. They did vote to send Hillary to the Senate and Obama to the White House in very recent memory so I would not call it a Republican district.

[Altjaeger]

I just received an alert that McDonnell, the Republican has won Virginia's governors race.

[Altjaeger]

Originally Posted by Altjaeger

I just received an alert that McDonnell, the Republican has won Virginia's governors race.

Just in! Christie, the Republican has beat Corizine in New Jersey. Thats 2 for 2 so far.